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A country of homicidal psychopaths
Governments and their people rarely agree. Those that do agree are a vocal minority that’s always amplified. While I don’t believe Israel should exist, a county isn’t it’s government and its dominant group.
There are Israelis risking prison and possibly their lives trying to stop what their government is doing.
Government usually don’t decide what tops the charts tho. That’s sales numbers
It is a nation of racist supremacists. Don’t take my word for it.
Why is it so fucking hard for the U.S. to see Israel for what it is. I mean, as an agnostic I know exactly why, but I still have to ask my country why we can’t call out genocide when we can fucking see it?
It’s like sitting on the sidelines of the holocaust and just saying…well…we have interests in that region, so let’s hold on a minute.
Because the US supports genocide.
If there is one thing this whole affair is bringing up in the West is just how extremelly racist even the people who loudly proclaim themselves as “progressives” really are.
You see it when they pull out the anti-semite card to try and bat away criticism of Israel: even if Israel indeed represented all Jews (itself a racist assumption because it presumes “all Jews are the same and think the same”), the etnicity of the people mass murdering civilians because of their etnicity, having any weight on ones judgment of their actions is incredibly racist (of the “different weights for different races” kind).
Personally what I see is people who never stopped being prejudiced racists who judge people on their etnicity rather than their actual actions, only some etnic groups became less fashionable to overly be racist against whilst others did not - the architecture of racism is still well in place and in use, it’s just that for certain etnicities the prejudices changed.
How on earth did you come up with the idea that this is a progressive thing? It’s overwhelmingly conservatives and neoliberals using the “anti-Semitism” charge in defense of genocide.
The overwhelming absence of critique in liberal newspapers can be seen as evidence of self censorship due to “anti-semitism”. But corporatism / imperialism can also explain that. The charge of antisemitism is always hurdled at pro-palestinian (anti-genocide) protesters. Liberal media was also arguing “(a free Palestine) from the river to the sea” is a call to genocide.
Yes, liberal newspapers. Liberals are not progressives.
That sound a lot like the No True Scottsman Falacy.
Every single time I’ve seen politicians in the Anglo-Saxon world harping all about moral liberalism, they’re also the same politicians that are “relaxed about wealth” and don’t really talk much about how it’s wealth discrimination which inflicts the most pain and removes the opportunities for those who are the sons and daughters of those who before were pushed into poverty due to discrimination.
You can’t solve the problems from past discrimination that threw people into the pit by keeping the pit going, the ladders to it up and its walls tall and near unsurmountable - if you’re not talking about social mobility, the social safety net, worker rights and equal access to Justice, Education and Health independently of wealth when you’re talking about discrimination, then you’re just another Neolib trying to pass yourself as a leftie as there’s no progress in that since you’re just keeping the shackles on the descendents of the victims of discrimination (along with a whole lot of other people who just happen to have been born in the less wealty classes).
It’s not. In US politics, liberals will often try to paint themselves as progressives, but the policies they hold and the funding for their campaigns tell a very different story.
The banner carrier for the progressive movement in the US is clearly Bernie Sanders, and he doesn’t pull this shit. Neither does AOC, or the rest of the “squad”. Nobody in progressive media does either.
On the Republican side, it’s even more obvious. Republicans have been the driving force behind the anti-BDS movement. Biden might be splitting hairs in his mixed messaging on Israel, but not the Republicans. Republicans are solidly behind Israel in their genocide of Gaza.
Of all the possible political ideologies you could single out for this in America, “progressives” would be the least accurate.
We didn’t get involved in WW2 because of the Holocaust. There were plenty of newspaper articles about it all over the country well before Pearl Harbor, and nothing was done until we were attacked directly.
Can we stop acting like Israel is fucking normal? This shit doesn’t even happen in the US.
“This shit doesn’t even happen in the US”
Ok, Trump aside, do you remember the US response to the 9-11 attacks?
Israel is bang out of order, but it doesn’t help that the groundwork for dealing with “terrorists” on a global scale was laid by the US.
Remember renaming French fries to “Freedom Fries” because the French dared to oppose the invasion of Iraq, a country that had very little to do with the terrorist act?
Dutch guy here. We had our own 9/11 event when Russians shot MH17 out of the air which contained 200 Dutch people. You know what we did? We prosecuted those responsible (in absentia) and they will be arrested once they enter Dutch soil. No kids were harmed in the process (apart from those on the plane). Israel’s response of collective punishment is bad shit crazy!
We prosecuted those responsible (in absentia) and they will be arrested once they enter Dutch soil.
Sounds like you did absolutely nothing
In EU, we know the cost of any wars and the fact creating a new circle of violence doesn’t resolve anything.
We don’t have one village without a monument commemorating the dead people from the past wars. Everybody have at least a family member who fight or died because of a war… Just go one or two generations in the past (in my case my grandmother lost 2 sisters in WW2, my grandfather was captured and sent in acamp for 2 years and managed to escape and walk back to south of France. My other grandfather family moved to France because of Franco repression in Spain, another cycle of violence…)
All my ancestors have fought for the land i’m currently on during thousand of years… We have thousand of years of war history behind us… against germany, against the UK, against the whole EU at some point “thanks” to Napoleon, and i could go to the medieval time, or even before when we fighted against Rome… And you know what? I work everyday with Germans, British, Italian people… I didn’t kill them because they are not responsible of their leaders actions and country history…
You prosecute the responsibles of an attack (in the worse case you sent a little squad to assassinate the leaders if they hide and plan to harm you again) BUT you don’t murder all the civilians around to achieve this result. This is madness and incompetence. And that create a new cycle of violence that your children will have to pay at some point…
Still not enough to get them banned from Eurovision, right?
Maybe the rising hate of Christians is going to do it? Probably not though. FWIW this article is just the tip of the iceberg.
They straight up annihilated almost every last Christian from Gaza and it didn’t stir but a mild condemnation from the Anglican church. I doubt they’d complain if Israel barred christian pilgrims from Jerusalem tomorrow
What did dua lipa do?! I know Bella is Palestinian and Mia said something.
Called for a ceasefire apparently. You know, because she’s a normal human being that doesn’t like to see babies get blown up.
But why those 3?? The article doesn’t seem to address it
The song calls for the IDF to “rain a storm” and “strike” a list of individuals including the women who have all previously supported the Palestinian cause or called for a ceasefire.
“They made us out to be a bunch of Jewish fascists who want to kill Arabs,” he said in an interview with Ynet. “We’re representing the country, and this song raises morale
Just once I’d like journalists to point out nonsense non-sequitur. Fascism is exactly a belief in superiority of one’s national or racial identity and the inferiority of others. Then they immediately position themselves as victims again.
Friendly reminder to all that one of the core principles in being Jewish is a belief that you are the chosen children of G-d. Many take that for the bullshit that it is but rest assured there are more Jews than you would care to admit that believe it.
Source - my ex is Jewish and I have 3 kids that are the chosen children of G-d and I am not. Should we all die I don’t get to be buried in a Jewish cemetery with them. That’s how stupid it is.
With fascism it’s always some “essential” identity which makes you special and it’s a mythological one, but it also requires a belief in the moral correctness of inequality. I think most modern Jews outside Israel would not believe this. They might be proud of their identity but not cross that threshold.
The actual fascism must be fostered when the conditions are right. Material conditions need to deteriorate, some persistent real or imaginary fear being pushed and then enough mainstream media (incl. social media) has to push it.
I think most westerners completely missed how bad it is in Israel. Part of it is probably because they have their own language so their messaging only gets translated in “friendly” terms.
Friendly reminder that this is person is an idiot and this is a deeply incorrect explanation of the Jewish religious understanding of jews’ relationship to God. In talmudic tradition, it is more or less correct to say that jews are understood to be in a contractual relationship with God.
I suspect this person has a bad relationship with their ex, and has decided to weave a cloak of straws to justify their shitty relationship and the community and familial support their ex receives to their personal disadvantage. It’s a weirdly common vector of effectively unintentional antisemitism. That, or they might just be dumb.
Never claimed I wasn’t an idiot. My understanding is sound. I spent 20 years in a relationship with her and have 3 beautiful children and am still amicable and friends with her family. They are not religious obviously as I am a non-jew. As with any religion the more you get into the religion the crazier it gets. Now obviously there’s a lot of nuance but as an idiot I’m also explaining for idiots. Very simply put Jewish people are taught a belief that they are “special” in the eyes of G-d. More than Christians. More than Muslims. Yes you can argue other religions do the same thing but I would argue it’s not as codified.
Sure I’m antisemitic. I have a weird way of showing it being the one to force my kids to still do all the traditional stuff and strongly encouraging they visit Israel when they are old enough.
Methinks reading so much out of a single comment on Lemmy perhaps you are the idiot.
The fact that you either post this repeatedly or are reposting something i have seen multiple times makes me nervous about what your true intent is.
Yea I’m “anti-Israel” by many metrics but this is just a misleading and seemingly propagandic take… Judaism comes in many different forms and can range from extremist, highly conservative-orthodox beliefs which believes itself to be the superior race and all the others go to some burning hell (as seems to be described in this post which represents a minority of jews in the US at least), to any of the apolitical beliefs that lack any sort of hell-equivalent or even afterlife at all in some cases, where the entire point of the religion basically boils down to “be a good person to everyone around you”. Judaism is an extremely diverse religion, hell you could even make an argument about Christianity and Islam just being highly derived forms of extremist Judaism (since Christianity originated as an offshoot of fringe jewish beliefs and Islam developed most of its unoriginal beliefs from Judaism and Christianity). Very few Jews actually have extremist/Christian-like beliefs about their religion (I don’t know about in Israel though, they very well could)
This is a pretty common response to national trauma like this. The US had a million ‘we’re gonna kick their ass’-songs post-9/11. Most weren’t exactly subtle about it either.
Calling out other artists like Dua Lipa though… I’d probably avoid that as a musician. You never know who you’ll end up sharing a podium with down the line.
Don’t care about Mia. Please don’t kill Sasha Grey 😘 Piper Perry 😘 and Polly Petrova 😘
