Welp, I made a similar thread yesterday regarding Manjaro but I decided to swap to Fedora as my daily driver for stability purposes. Unfortunately since fedora is yet another non Debian distro I need help finding a Syncterm replacement.
I’m my previous thread it was pointed out to me that syncterm has a docker option which I can run on Fedora, but I’d prefer running an app locally if possible.
I tried the Syncterm snap package which boots inside bash, but it doesn’t have ANSI support (which is the entire point of using Syncterm) since I assume it’s simply piggy backing off of bash- hence the 1.5* review on the snap store.
Looking for options… if anyone can help a Linux noob I’m all ears. I tried Alien to convert deb to rpm and fell on my face.
You do no that docker is local, right? It runs in a container but that container is still on your computer.
Oh cool no I didn’t know that. I thought it was running code hosted elsewhere.
I’m out of the loop, why is Manjaro considered a “bad distro” ?
I have used it for quite some time now, and I enjoy it, i find it fairly simple, fast and pretty.
Is there something I’m missing ?
Going to weigh in, manjaro devs are kinda incompetent. They’ve ddosed the aur twice in the exact same way, showing that they hadn’t done anything to solve the inherent issue. Their ssl certs keep expiring, even though auto-renewal takes about ten minutes to set up while telling their users to “change your clocks time” as a patch solution while they fix their certs once (which took hours).
Their head arm developer sent a patch to asahi linux which broke x-org, showing he shipped code without so much as running the thing to test making a change well known and documented to cause this error with zero benefit to the project or his commit. This, after manjaro claimed that “manjaro works on the macbook m1” by using the asahi kernal with a full on campaign, shipping a random kernel from the release page which was known to be broken. It would not turn on, and could easily have broken users systems. Asahi at the time simply did not work, nor would it for a while.
They keep making dumb mistakes learning nothing and not asking for help when it’s obviously needed. Their two week delay, though it fixes some issues, commonly still ships known broken updates when unnecessary.
They put the aur directly next to flatpack and snap in pamac without a proper warning. The aur is dangerous, you need to know how to use it, and to read the pkgbuild. Anybody can put any app up there and you’ll be running arbitrary code on the system. Flatpack and snaps are quite safe, the aur is not. A while ago, a guy put a list of people who can “fuck themselves”, insults, and homophobic statements alongside two calls to a IP grabber in the dolphin emulator package. When there’s malware on linux, the aur is likely to be the first targeted
They’ve made many suggestions in their forums that lead to bad habits, putting more stress on arch devs and their servers.
It’s due to the continual incompetence of the devs, them damaging other projects they depend on, and the devs being quite unfriendly in the forums that people hate manjaro. I’d love to see it become better as the concept is a decent one but with the current leadership and work being done I have to caution against it’s use
It feels like a fork for the sake of “I use arch BTW”
It doesn’t add anything of value on top of “vanilla” arch, but they still manage to break stuff that works in Arch, occasionally ddos AUR and if I recall correctly there was some controversy because the developers were assholes
Except of course that more ex-Manjaro people move to EOS than vanilla Arch. I have no data on this but there are certainlymore EOS commenters on Manjaro threads than pure Arch ( though often those groups overlap a lot as many people use both ).
I do not know anybody that uses both Manjaro along with any other Arch distro. You are either in or out on Manjaro.
That’s wrong though, isn’t it? AFAIK, Manjaro hosts their own repos with a focus on up to date but slightly more stable packages
It breaks. It may never break on you but it breaks on A LOT of people and, as a result, there are lots of “don’t use Manjaro people out ther”…
I am not going into detail as I am exhausted from arguing with Manjaro fans that want to pretend all is ex-Manjaro users are wrong about our own experience. The above answers your question. Believe it or not.
My problem with Manjaro was that they continually kept their repos behind arch while still depending on the aur and other arch infrastructure. This caused problems like aur packages not being buildable, and software that used the arch debuginfod server being unusable.
Every time I’ve tried to use Manjaro, within a year or two the entire OS shits the bed. Whether it’s dependency hell, broken SSL certs or the display drovers fucking up. Legit never had that problem with other arch-based distros or arch itself, or even with fedora tumbleweed which is the “unstable” rolling release flavor of Fedora that I’m currently using.
This was my experience as well. Caused me to give up on Linux for a while as everyone was so eager to recommend manjaro back then.
Read the screenshot by OP. Can confirm that, too
Why didn’t you install Arch OP?
I’ve heard that Manjaro is a “bad OS”, but I’ve been using it for a few years and haven’t had any issues with it. As a noob, though, is probably avoid most Arch distros, though. They’re not impossible or anything, but they can be intimidating and may leave a bad taste of Linux in your mouth if they’re not set up right. I do like Fedora quite a bit. It and OpenSuse are my dailys. Mint was my go-to for years, and I would still highly recommend it for beginners. (E) Mint is a deb based distro.
exactly how many times did you ddos the aur?
If you maintain the OS, “ddosing the aur” isn’t something you will do. So, zero times.
If you are looking for something a little more stable than Manjaro but still Arch based and beginner friendly EndeavorOS is a good option.
Not an answer to your question or suggesting you jump from Fedora just putting it out there.
These days, there is also the official guided installer for arch that may be worth a try. I had similar issues with Manjaro, but since this has been around I’ve never had a reason to try any arch derivative.
My brother had that OS. It worked fine until it got a bug that the computer froze when he enabled the wifi, and the only way to stop it was pressing the power button. I couldn’t figure out the cause, and there was many unnecessary things coming with the OS, so I helped him to install Arch instead. Now, it works well and feels clean.
EDIT: based on the comments, the issue happened with arch too.
Odds are it would have come up on a regular Arch install too, and simply reinstalling is what fixed it.
EndeavourOS is essentially just a GUI installer for Arch with some defaults changed.
Isn’t it just an installer, welcome app, theming, and maybe an Nvidia driver helper?
I don’t think Endeavour really adds that much, but maybe my perception has been wrong this whole time 🤷
You can get any software from any distro with distrobox.
Or nix
Or distrobox
? I was not starting an argument
Did someone really manage to convince you that Fedora would be more stable than Manjaro?
For the record, I’ve been using Manjaro for 3 years without any reinstall on my main laptop and I still haven’t witnessed any stability issue. My experience with Fedora has not been similar at all…
Not to contradict your experience. More for my own understanding. Do you use the AUR much?
I convinced myself that manjaro is less stable than fedora. But not completely. It depends on the device and what is installed on it.
For some reason, I was able to run Manjaro on my hp laptop without issues for a long time. However my brother on his Lenovo laptop, the manjaro update just killed itself after 2 months. And this always after some months the updater would not work anymore.
I then installed Fedora on his laptop, and damn that thing stayed up and running for 2y now. Even after major system update, never broke, and package install always worked, at least when the tutorials are up to date on special things.
Like installing video codecs, I had to do another command which was not mentioned on the fedora docs, in order to switch from ffmpeg libre to ffmpeg. And then the rest of the install commands would work.
why is Manjaro bad?
These two pages outlines the reasons pretty well:
The latter seems to be dead, so here’s a copy on the WayBack Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230304010442/manjarno.snorlax.sh
I wanted to add a summary to this comment, but I’m too sleepy to do that right now. Maybe I’ll come back to add it tomorrow.
I’ve been using Manjaro for 5+ years with no problem. Manjaro is a rolling distro, and unfortunately there is not enough volunteers in open source community to maintain a bleeding edge rolling distribution that is completely bug free. It is just a matter of personal preference how close to bleeding edge do you want your system to be between Arch, Manjaro, Endeavor, and OpenSUSE. I found that Manjaro is quite useful to have because I run non-FOSS programs like Dropbox, Zotero, MegaSYNC, and MATLAB.
One tips I have is that don’t bother to update every other week. There are plenty literal supercomputers running on outdated Linux OS or stable distro releases like Fedora. Linux by default is already more secure. Just because there are updates available doesn’t mean one should do it, unless you need the bleeding edge updates due to your line of work. I thought we install Linux to run away from annoying Windows updates. If you update Manjaro like every 6 months or so, it is pretty unlikely (statistically) that you get a bad update.
Have you considered using Arch on which Manjaro is based?
This way you won’t have issues with AUR. It’s not hard to install, you can use
archinstallhelper if you want, it’s available in the default installation media.If they want a full-fledged system running Arch, then EndeavourOS might be the best bet. Archinstall is great for quickly installing Arch but there’s still quite a lot of set-up required after that, and for some people, they don’t really want to do that. EndeavourOS is essentially a ready-made Arch set up (or as another person said here, a very opinionated Arch install), and is based on Arch’s repos but has its own extra repo for its own software while Manjaro holds the packages back for two weeks (which creates sync problems with, say, the AUR)
there’s also Endeavour which I’m pretty sure uses the Arch repos
i too am a satisfied endevouros user. its great if you want something like manjaro, that doesnt break, or something like arch, but easier to get started.
Uses exactly the Arch repos and kernel. EndeavourOS is more like an opinionated Arch install than a stand-alone distro. This is not a negative comment as I am an enthusiastic EndeavourOS user.
EndeavourOS is more like an opinionated Arch install
Fellow EOS user and this is a hilarious yet accurate description. Still have vanilla arch but EOS on my laptop now since I tend to mess with it often.
