A recent study found that the rate of women 18 to 30 getting tubal ligations doubled in the 16 months following the Dobbs decision. The number of young men getting vasectomies also shot up, but men still get sterilized much less often than women.
My friend with severe PCOS and who would never be able to be pregnant had the hardest time already trying to get a hysterectomy at 28. Even asked about her future husband being ok with this decision.
I can understand making absolutely sure that this is what the woman wants, but don’t bring in an imaginary person into the decision. That is for her and the person she starts seeing down the line and whether she wants to tell him on the first date.
To be fair, men also get asked if they’re really sure by some doctors when going in for a vasectomy. Even when closing in on 50 and with three kids at home. But as long as they perform the procedure I don’t care.
I had mine at 42 and I don’t think there was much asking if this is what I really wanted. It was an explanation of the procedure and how long I’ll be out.
Day of, it was snip snip, have a good day. No need for the frozen peas on your nuts.
Oh, the procedure was fine. 40 minutes after I was called out of the waiting room I walked out and had zero issues. And also zero swimmers since. All good there.
But when I had the first appointment, he asked me if I was really sure and if my wife knew and was also fine with it. But I know that it depends on the doctor.
It’s exceptionally difficult already for a woman to get sterilized. The decider may be whether sterilization has the same stigma/religious fervor around it that abortion has in that people will willingly waste their weekends off protesting against it.
I’m optimistic, but America likes to disappoint me.
Honestly it’s so difficult to get done as it is that they don’t even need to outlaw. It’s virtually unobtainable for most women unless they already have “enough” kids, whatever that means to a specific doctor, or they travel to find a willing doctor.
It took me 8 years to get it done because I’ve never reproduced (childfree by choice). And I’m one of the easier stories. I got it done at 27, in 2015, and while some doctors are more willing now, most aren’t. Especially in conservative areas.
All they have to do is keep making doctors scared to offer proper reproductive care, make it risky and they stop going into that field. You don’t need to make it illegal, just impossible. Rich white people will still be able to choose, so they don’t care.
I had to deal with a whole bunch of people asking me hypothetical questions. What if you regret it? (what if I regret having them?), what about your future partner? (If they are right for me they also don’t want kids, and I don’t plan to get married anyway). What if you change your mind? (I will adopt if that happens. I don’t believe sharing my junk genetics is important, and the chances of issues are high anyway since I’m also broken, and there are plenty of not-infant kids who need homes if I get maternal, but kids under 5 aren’t my jam and probably never will be, and I’m probably too negligent to raise them right anyway). Ultimately they couldn’t argue with my logic but it took years of finding the right doctors getting the right consultations, etc.
That’s why I hauled ass to the doctor and got a bisalp scheduled asap. I ended up getting them to agree to a hysterectomy this year, which is what I really wanted, but I wasn’t willing to take a chance on that not happening. I’m no longer in the young category, but I was only 38 and potentially still fertile (and way more likely to have complications from being “geriatric”).
It’s already super hard. I was lucky and found a doctor who understood, but I’m not young. People in their 20s face a whole bunch of bullshit, enough to get in the way and prevent them having the procedure. It’s fucked.
I am going with a while. They just don’t change their minds quickly and get distracted easily. It took them almost half a century to get abortion banned in a few states, only 2 of which have any real population size.
Sure eventually they will grok on that abortion was the last resort option out of many tools but not overnight. Then even when they do they have to come up with good arguments to hide their goals. Which again will take time.
We all know you’re full of shit, but just in case you’re a useful idiot to conservatism instead of cynical grifter…
If you want fewer abortions, the answer has been obvious for decades — sex ed and birth control made available to everyone that wants it, which results in fewer unwanted pregnancies, which results in fewer abortions.
Your moron political group and its insistence on overturning Roe resulted in an increase in abortions. 2023 had the highest number and rate in literally decades. So if you’re dumb enough to think that’s “murdering babies,” then congrats. The people you vote for increased the body count.
If I were pregnant (and presumably had a uterus) I would probably be more likely to seek an abortion knowing that there is now a greater chance I would die giving birth then before.
Before: ok every pregnancy is risky as well as birth there is a small but possible chance things could go badly for me but medical science will do what is required for me to survive including ending the pregnancy even at the last second.
Now: if I need an abortion later I won’t be able to get one and will die. I better go to a state where it is legal and get it done now.
If you’re going to speak for all conservatives, you’re also going to take responsibility for all of their beliefs and decision-making, like the desire to outlaw contraceptives. If you don’t want that, don’t speak for others.
Any predictions on how long it’ll take for conservatives to start outlawing sterilizations for women?
My friend with severe PCOS and who would never be able to be pregnant had the hardest time already trying to get a hysterectomy at 28. Even asked about her future husband being ok with this decision.
So we aren’t that far off already.
I can understand making absolutely sure that this is what the woman wants, but don’t bring in an imaginary person into the decision. That is for her and the person she starts seeing down the line and whether she wants to tell him on the first date.
To be fair, men also get asked if they’re really sure by some doctors when going in for a vasectomy. Even when closing in on 50 and with three kids at home. But as long as they perform the procedure I don’t care.
I had mine at 42 and I don’t think there was much asking if this is what I really wanted. It was an explanation of the procedure and how long I’ll be out.
Day of, it was snip snip, have a good day. No need for the frozen peas on your nuts.
Oh, the procedure was fine. 40 minutes after I was called out of the waiting room I walked out and had zero issues. And also zero swimmers since. All good there.
But when I had the first appointment, he asked me if I was really sure and if my wife knew and was also fine with it. But I know that it depends on the doctor.
Below 30 with no kids is much harder.
It’s exceptionally difficult already for a woman to get sterilized. The decider may be whether sterilization has the same stigma/religious fervor around it that abortion has in that people will willingly waste their weekends off protesting against it.
I’m optimistic, but America likes to disappoint me.
Honestly it’s so difficult to get done as it is that they don’t even need to outlaw. It’s virtually unobtainable for most women unless they already have “enough” kids, whatever that means to a specific doctor, or they travel to find a willing doctor.
It took me 8 years to get it done because I’ve never reproduced (childfree by choice). And I’m one of the easier stories. I got it done at 27, in 2015, and while some doctors are more willing now, most aren’t. Especially in conservative areas.
All they have to do is keep making doctors scared to offer proper reproductive care, make it risky and they stop going into that field. You don’t need to make it illegal, just impossible. Rich white people will still be able to choose, so they don’t care.
I had to deal with a whole bunch of people asking me hypothetical questions. What if you regret it? (what if I regret having them?), what about your future partner? (If they are right for me they also don’t want kids, and I don’t plan to get married anyway). What if you change your mind? (I will adopt if that happens. I don’t believe sharing my junk genetics is important, and the chances of issues are high anyway since I’m also broken, and there are plenty of not-infant kids who need homes if I get maternal, but kids under 5 aren’t my jam and probably never will be, and I’m probably too negligent to raise them right anyway). Ultimately they couldn’t argue with my logic but it took years of finding the right doctors getting the right consultations, etc.
That’s why I hauled ass to the doctor and got a bisalp scheduled asap. I ended up getting them to agree to a hysterectomy this year, which is what I really wanted, but I wasn’t willing to take a chance on that not happening. I’m no longer in the young category, but I was only 38 and potentially still fertile (and way more likely to have complications from being “geriatric”).
They are already trying to ban contraceptives. Cancer is what they are.
TIHI. Fuck this is coming isn’t it.
It’s already super hard. I was lucky and found a doctor who understood, but I’m not young. People in their 20s face a whole bunch of bullshit, enough to get in the way and prevent them having the procedure. It’s fucked.
I am going with a while. They just don’t change their minds quickly and get distracted easily. It took them almost half a century to get abortion banned in a few states, only 2 of which have any real population size.
Sure eventually they will grok on that abortion was the last resort option out of many tools but not overnight. Then even when they do they have to come up with good arguments to hide their goals. Which again will take time.
Why would we? We’re against murdering babies, not for controlling women.
We all know you’re full of shit, but just in case you’re a useful idiot to conservatism instead of cynical grifter…
If you want fewer abortions, the answer has been obvious for decades — sex ed and birth control made available to everyone that wants it, which results in fewer unwanted pregnancies, which results in fewer abortions.
Your moron political group and its insistence on overturning Roe resulted in an increase in abortions. 2023 had the highest number and rate in literally decades. So if you’re dumb enough to think that’s “murdering babies,” then congrats. The people you vote for increased the body count.
If I were pregnant (and presumably had a uterus) I would probably be more likely to seek an abortion knowing that there is now a greater chance I would die giving birth then before.
Before: ok every pregnancy is risky as well as birth there is a small but possible chance things could go badly for me but medical science will do what is required for me to survive including ending the pregnancy even at the last second.
Now: if I need an abortion later I won’t be able to get one and will die. I better go to a state where it is legal and get it done now.
Is that why Republican members of Congress recently stated that IVF should be banned?
An embryo is not a baby. Nobody is getting murdered when a pregnancy is terminated.
Then why are you also against birth control?
Whatever you tell yourself at night so you can sleep.
Then why are you also against birth control?
Im not, unless you think abortion is birth control
If you’re going to speak for all conservatives, you’re also going to take responsibility for all of their beliefs and decision-making, like the desire to outlaw contraceptives. If you don’t want that, don’t speak for others.