My mum spoke to me shortly after it was announced that he’d died and I kinda was like “okay, feel bad for this children who had to witness it, can’t say I can sympathise with him though he was hardly a saint himself” and my mum was like “he spoke out against the woke people” over and over
I told her he literally said little kids dying in school shootings is worth it so people can have guns. he said empathy doesn’t exist and he doesn’t have empathy for kids being killed. He ridiculed disabled people in his circles. That he advocated for the genocide in Gaza by supporting Israel’s actions.
Then she was like “no no no you got it all wrong he was giving a speech when someone asked him if more people die from gang shootings or school shootings, then he was shot” even though the thing I was talking about was from 2023. He’s a man in a position of power and authority and influence over others, it’s a bit different from “just having a different opinion”.
She ended up getting pissed off at me and blanking me after that but I don’t care. I guess me caring more about kids dying than guns makes me officially “woke” now but so be it. I’ll stand by the fact I can’t find anything redeemable about this man or any reason to sympathise with him
I got ostracized and banned from a discord server for expressing exactly what you did. People are so caught up in the fact he got shot that they’re not willing to look at the bigger picture of who he was and the horrible shit he is responsible for.
Exactly it’s like all context goes out the window and people are straight up denying the gross shit he said over the years
I’m so sorry your mum isn’t able to give your feelings the space and respect they deserve. You’re completely right. And fact is undeniable, he didn’t deserve anything, other than what he advocated for all his life. Also your mum is probably just grieving or feeling socialitically pressured to grieve. How your mum is feeling can be entirely separated from the person she’s feeling that for. Don’t address the person she’s grieving but maybe you can offer her kindness for her feelings, which, I’m assuming would be adulting beyond your developed years. Put clear boundaries down that you aren’t changing your opinion on the subject, nor do you want to speak of it, but you care about how she feels. Because people’s feelings matter, regardless of whether they’re perceived by others as being about unreasonable things, and maybe that will help her learn to be more emotionally supportive, at very least, it’ll set a good boundary for you and how you expect her to treat your feelings in future. My mum is a bit like yours, I’ve never found a good balance, and I can barely speak to her, and I’ve had many many years of no contact at all, it’s hard to go through, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but sometimes that’s the path you end up on, after exhausting all options available at the time. I hope you’re able to find a way to co-exist, more peacefully than I was able.
Another family member lost to fox news propaganda
Flowers cannot agree. *mom
None of the variations of “woke” have ever been a bad thing to be.
Calling people “kind” just didn’t have the same sting to it.
Indeed. Woke is anti-oppression and the system of oppression wants you to go back to sleep.
Charlie actually had tons of examples of why woke is evil. They all happen to be strawmen and fictitious, but he was never short of examples.
Yes, he definitely was anti-crow.
The point of straw man arguments is to then knock the straw man down. You’re showing how strong you are against something that isn’t real and only scares people who can’t tell the difference between a human and an analogue of a human.
It sounds like he was decidedly pro-crow. And then he ate crow.
Honestly I’ve resorted to asking them to define “woke” and then break it down and ask them which “woke” attribute they’re against. They usually shut up and go away as, I hope, they realize on some level how stupid they sound saying they’re against basic human decency and rights.
Crusties spending decades bemoaning the decline of respect and manners among the yoof, suddenly the switcheroo and they now bemoan the yoof for having respect and manners.
Yeah, I’m not surprised. A lot of older people are telling me they learned about Kirk today from the news. American News MediaTM are actively whitewashing him, just look up how they’re talking about him on CNN, CBS, MSNBC, etc. They’re making him seem like a political icon to GenZ/Gen alpha who likes to debate and “play devils advocate”, instead of the architect of his own demise.
Charlie said empathy is for cucks. MFW your mom spits on his legacy
Charlie also didn’t believe in gun control, so he’s gotta be okay with what happened. I don’t know how he’d feel about OP’s mom disrespecting him like that.
Wonder if she’s sad about the school shooting that happened right after.
Remember the public outcry when couple of Dems got shot? Me neither
Or the Denver shooting on the same day. ZERO COVERAGE.
Sorry to hear your mother is toxic and unintelligent.
Your mom’s a fucking moron
I would have been laughing in her face for saying something so fucking stupid to me. It’s what I do to my dumb ass mom
Facts don’t matter to someone like this. She’s having emotions. That’s the level you need to work on. She probably feels threatened, and like her in-group is under attack. You’d need to get her to see you as in-group before she’ll listen.
We’re all emotional creatures, but some people seem exclusively so.
You should be pissed at her for failing to agree with you that Charlie Kirk was a nazi piece of shit who had it coming.
Should Nazis be shot?
Does the space pope wear a hat?
Is the space pope reptilian?
Are reptiles Catholics?
Is the space Vatican hiding the Illuminati?
Short answer: Yes.
Longer answer: Yeah.
Melee is also acceptable.
Charlie Kirk was not a war criminal. Saying callous things about shooting victims and being a MAGA supporter should not be punished with death.
Fascists control all three branches of the United States federal government, as well as many state governments.
Today, there is one less fascist, and the remaining fascists are afraid. I’m not going to clutch my pearls about that, especially not for a guy who’s said that some gun deaths are acceptable as long as we’re protecting gun rights and that “empathy” is a “bad word.”
Do you think you can end terrorism by killing all the terrorists? Or win the war on drugs by killing all the drug dealers? What makes you think the fight against fascism is any different? We still live in a democratic society. The “fascists” were elected by the majority of the American people, so either the majority of politically active Americans (and Europeans) are fascists or you are being hyperbolic with your language. If elections are suspended, I think there is no alternative to political violence. Until that happens, we should work to unwind Trump and his political movement through nonviolent means.
Also, fascists aren’t scared they are angry. You think Trump is gonna get scared and roll back his policies? No, they are going to double down on everything. This perfectly fits his narrative that force is needed to take America back from the radical left.
Other fascist talking heads are cancelling appearances. Speaker of the House talking about how everyone is scared and heightened security. Yeah, they’ll double down, but they’re still scared.
… so either the majority of politically active Americans (and Europeans) are fascists or you are being hyperbolic with your language.
I’m not being hyperbolic, but the majority of politically active Americans (I can’t speak for Europeans, but I expect them to be roughly the same) are easily duped.
If elections are suspended, I think there is no alternative to political violence. Until that happens, we should work to unwind Trump and his political movement through nonviolent means.
Ah, so we’re in agreement about what needs to happen, we just disagree about where the line in the sand is.
e: Just to be clear, we’re on the same side, you and I. All efforts great and small.
Fair enough I guess, although keep in mind that if you think present day-America has crossed the Rubicon, you would also have said “welp democracy has failed we have to kill the political opposition” about 20 times throughout American history, and been wrong on all but 1 occasion.
We can make all the Constitutions and laws and social norms we want, but if enough people decide to ignore them and eliminate their opponents by any means necessary, those people will take power. All it takes is numbers, capability, and will.
The previously referenced federal government and state governments are ignoring those documents and norms already. They have the numbers, capability, and will to do so. They are already using violence to eliminate their opponents by disappearing people to foreign gulags without due process. SCOTUS has ruled that it’s fine to use the Family Guy Color Scale to arrest people.
The fact that America keeps coming back to this, with more vigor every time, suggests that if there had already been drastic change in the past, we wouldn’t be where we are today.
I still disagree that we are past the point of no return… we literally already voted Trump out of office once when he was pulling similar shit in his first term. In some ways he’s gone farther but, again, in a country with free and fair elections, elections are your recourse not political violence.
Explain to me how you think killing Kirk is a good thing for the country. Like, explain what will happen following his death that somehow leads to fascism being defeated in America.
