I am just so sick of Gilibrand. I still cannot forgive her for what she did to Al Franken. And now this?
The establishment dems are not an opposition party, their “opposition” to the right is entirely stage and theater. They don’t want socialism in any capacity, they are paid by the exact same people as those who pay off the Republicans and they despise people like Mamdani and will do everything they can to sabotage anyone trying to make actual progress in politics.
We would do far better with more broad, grassroots, country-wide efforts to primary every sitting Dem senator and many in congress. In fact, that may be our only hope at this point of saving the country.
what the fuck, 30 thousand people? you don’t tell a klan member to please get behind a minority candidate. you tell them to resign in shame and get the fuck out.
she fucking wore a white robe with a pointy hoodie and spewed the most vile shit you’ve heard since dubya left the office and you sign a petition for her to grace Mamdani with her disgusting xenophobic racist ass endorsement?
what’s next, should he parade liz cheney around in his general election campaign?
We shouldnt have to sign a fucking petition for members of the same party to support the fucking candidate
TBF a lot of claims that the vast majority of DNC in the NY State Congress support Mamdani, and he’s been congratulated by Bill Clinton and the DNC Minority Speakers in US House and Senate.
Having like a 90% approval among your party might not be the greatest but it’s not terrible.
They would have endorsed cuomo.
But being congratulated doesn’t mean being endorsed.
DNC: Congratulations Mamdani!
whispers to colleague Get him…
They actually have been after the results of a recent general election poll show Mamdani winning with supporters from both sides of the political spectrum, and they also never endorsed any other candidates in the general, but feel free to stay inside your fantasies.
Did the DNC leadership gave unequivocal support to Mamdani?
I can give you yesses or noes if you put some names up.
So no.
So, the majority of DNC leadership don’t support him.
Edit: a word
I didn’t realize I was talking to Bizzaro Superman.
But it’s not good enough when the media is giving megaphones to the 10% and ignoring the 90
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or to accept a petition delivery from what would be a voting organization with no other option but to support their future DNC candidates, or an organization that could volunteer to help turnout for such candidates.
lol normies gonna’ learn how conservative Democrats actually are … again… for the tenth time…
… oh god, they’re going to learn nothing.
It’s not like they had 2 Bernie primaries to learn…
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Bernie lost the primaries.
Sure the corporate media spent every day talking about what a dangerous unelectable person he was.
Sure the same corporate media was happy to report about how because of super delegates he had basically no shot at winning and a smart voter wouldn’t throw their vote away on such a dangerous lunatic.
Sure Chris Matthews literally said that he was worried people like him would be executed by chairmen sanders
And yea the DNC marshaled all their money and influence against him.
And then the corporate media did just start calling whoever he was running against the presumptive nominee.
But that’s what makes these dangerous leftists so unelectable, billionaires and millionaires paid by billionaires keep calling them unelectable.
Won’t someone please, for once, think about the poor billionaires and what’s best for them and their media companies?
You forgot about chuck todd calling Sanders supporters “brownshirts.”
Their scare tactics are endless.
Here’s a really interesting video that Forbes just put out about Mamdani
https://youtube.com/shorts/AORpISxUCig
I think given the tone the VO is striking this is supposed to be damning or something. The comments though are great.
I think that’s the only encouraging thing in all this. Every so often the media can’t control the narrative.
They failed with Luigi so hard they just memory holed the entire thing. Every thing they tried failed, he’s a terrible criminal that gunned down a family man, people reacted with their personal stories about how UHC had destroyed their families. They give him a 50 person armed escort, the internet turns it into rap album memes.
Luigi went from having 24/7 coverage to not a peep when the media realized that people weren’t going to buy their spin.
At the end of the day all the wealthy can really do is suggest their version of the world over and over. All the people have to do is reject it.
You forgot that the DNC is a private corporation and that voters cannot protect their rights by turning to the courts. The DNC asserted that the primary election belongs to the people who control the party, not the voters.
DNC lawyers argued that the Democratic Party doesn’t owe anyone a fair process and that it has every right to disregard its own rules or interpret its rules how it wants because it is a private organization.
So I’m nearing 40 and I’ve been a progressive / leftist now for over 20 years.
I remember getting pepper sprayed by capitol police for protesting the Iraq war and the halcyon days of thinking George W Bush would go down as our dumbest president.
I saw Obama capture the imagination of a progressive generation promising hope and change and then getting into office and giving us a heritage foundation plan that further entrenched the insurance industry into a dysfunctional for-profit healthcare system.
The entire time the democratic faithful have said, “vote blue no matter who” and the pragmatic progressive and democratic allies that want a party that cares about the issues they care about have gone “more and better democrats”
For two decades of my life I’ve been told the way to get policies that don’t just favor the ultra rich at the expense of everyone else is to elect more democrats and have these fights in the primary. Don’t split the vote by having progressives run outside the party, that will end in ruin. 20 years later we can name every progressive fire brand by name because the party only lets us have a few.
I’ve watched this strategy fail over and over. I think it might be time for the progressives and further left elements to make our own party. I look back now and think, I’d much rather have spent the last 20 years building a viable alternative, but if 20 years ago was the best time to start, the second best time is right now.
The democrats have failed in every imaginable way, and when the greatest test came along, would they defend the constitution and hold a bunch of fascists accountable. They failed. They dithered, they let bygones be bygones, they dragged their feet. And the fascists emboldened by this lack of consequences are now enjoying the cancerous fruits of their labor.
The entire time the democratic faithful have said, “vote blue no matter who”
Not the entire time. When Obama beat clinton, they were like “Party Unity My Ass.” Just like they are now with Mamdani.
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz sandbagged Bernie and there is absolutely no denying it. And you’re right, she did it because the DNC, just like the GOP, is more than happy to suck the dick of the rich man. But neither the DNC nor the GOP actually matter…it’s what the voters believe. And, I’m not sure if you noticed or not, but all those kids who grew up post-9/11 are largely pretty fucking overt with their opposition to the rich man. Times they are a changing. The old parties can get on board, or they can be burned down with everything else.
As a Bernie supporter for every campaign he ran, I saw him get fucked over. I still remember when all the centrists rallied behind Biden so he could win a bunch of primaries in states he would end up losing in the general election and that was it, the story was now that Biden had unstoppable momentum.
I remember saying at the time that a Biden presidency would just be hitting snooze on fascism and the very serious Dems telling me I was just dining on sour grapes.
I’ll finish the rest of this post after I show my papers to ICE, trumps personal paramilitary which is now one of the best well funded organizations in the world.
This petition won’t change the minds of the DNC establishment.
But this vocal and energetic support for him is amazing PR for him. It means the DNC and republicans don’t get to completely define the narrative.
It’s just a show of support but it’s so necessary ATM because some democrat voters might be inclined to look into him more closely since he has visible support.
I am fully prepared for the same level of disappointment that I’ve seen over and over. A socialist or actual progressive will not be allowed to gain any kind of foothold. America isn’t falling, it’s already fallen decades ago as the same people who employ and pay the checks for Republicans also keep Democrats in their employment.
The “opposition” no matter how strongly worded it seems at rare times, is entirely WWE theater and stageplay and the liberal american public buys it because the media is also controlled.
If we want actual change and progress in the country, it has to be a massive effort to remove sitting dem senators and to overturn Citizens United and other policies that have allowed our nation to become a divided corpo-feudalist dictatorship.
Conservative is still better than regressive.
Describe the difference between conservatism and regressivism. I’ll wait.
If progressive are going to gain a foothold in American politics, it’ll be despite and not because of the DNC. For as shitty as it is, Trump put everyone in place by winning again and again. He selectively sought retribution, but mostly took them and put them in line. Now they can’t be happier to go to bat for him.
The only difference will be the GenX Democratic elite will say they always believed in these ideas and are glad to have helped in the fight. They wouldn’t have, but they need to save face.
Stop getting mad that the established democratic leadership lies and cheats. Call it out and get back on message. I think the messaging is stronger than their relexive grasps to hold on to power despite having no vision of the future.
Unfortunately, the establishment Dems have the desires of the voters in one hand and they’re weighing that against hundreds of millions of dollars in soft money in the other, and so far the money has an uninterrupted win streak.
And Gilibrand has already clearly signaled which side she favors.
Never forget Hillary v. Bernie.
That was when it kicked off in earnest.
I still think that if there’s one single person who deserves more of the blame than anyone else for Trump becoming president in the first place, it’s Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
You can blame Hillary more.
Never forget.
Never forget that Hillary Clinton won the primary popular vote by 3 Million and also won the general popular vote?
If we’re asking Gilibrand to fall in line, the least we could do is ask the same of each other.
Never forget PUMA.
Don’t pretend for an instant that clinton worshipers are capable of party loyalty. They break from the party as soon as they don’t get their very first choice.
He’s already gotten endorsements from some of the most influential progressives. Fuck the centrists. NY wants change that benefits the working class.
It’s less that she’s a centrist, more that she’s an AIPAC beneficiary. She’s sponsored by Israel, just like Schumer.
It’s less that she’s a centrist, more that she’s an AIPAC beneficiary.
That particular Venn diagram has a lot of overlap.
That is not what matters most in a NYC mayor.
I wouldn’t trust Elizabeth Warren she a snake who will if the party tells her to, will bend the knee and pull her endorsement and give it to the rapist. Remember she sabotage Sanders 2020 run because she thought they make her VP.
I for one think that Islamophobia is as serious an offense as sexual misconduct and that Gillibrand should be cancelled and resign, just like Al Franken.
Oh fuck off, not liking someone’s dumbasses religion is not the same thing as rape.
The hells the matter with you?
Islamophobia, just like antisemitism, is not “not liking someone’s dumbasses religion”, it is racism. You wouldn’t tolerate anti-black racism and you wouldn’t tolerate antisemitism (I assume, given that you’re here). You also would not be trivializing any kind of racism by comparing it to rape (again, a good faith assumption). On the same grounds, you shouldn’t tolerate islamophobia.
Edit: That said, Franken was never accused of rape. Here are what he was actually accused of: [1] [2]
Islam is actually a religion which does not require any specific heritage.
This is veering into an abstract discussion that is not useful. Islamophobia is a form of cultural racism. So called “scientific” or “biological” racism is not the only kind of racism that exists.
Let’s be specific here. Mamdani has not being attacked for being a believer in this or that religion. Gilibrand’s attacks were not theological. He’s being attacked based on bigoted stereotypes.
That said, even if he was being attacked on religion, what the actual fuck? Would an attack on a candidate because they are Orthodox Christian or Buddist or Mormon or atheist or anything else be acceptable? Are we splitting the hairs of whether this or that type of bigotry are acceptable here? Wtf.
I feel like if you have to change the meanings of words for your argument to have legs then it’s a shit argument, mate. The user above claims two evils exist on different magnitudes and your counterpoint is “Uh, nuh uh! Why do you think it’s okay to be evil?!”
I feel like you’re splitting hairs about types of bigotry as a defense for particular bigots.
“Change the meanings of words”? I didn’t do that. I pointed out that there exist multiple meanings to the same word. Work on cultural racism by Balibar et al. is not new either, it’s been around for something like 30-40 years. If your worldview is too narrow, then expand it, go educate yourself. Don’t give me this kind of anti-intellectual bullshit, especially in a progressive space like this one.
The person I was responding to before you was not simply claiming that “two evils exist on different magnitudes”. They were dismissing one of the “two evils” by trivializing the cultural racism of islamophobia as “not liking someone’s dumbass religion”, i.e., something that boils down to some kind of harmless personal choice, like preferring fries to onion rings.
My argument from the start is that if one type of bigotry is grounds for cancelling, so is the other. And this is literally in the thread about a post about a progressive politican who is being subjected to cultural racism. What do you stand for here buddy?
The Democratic Party WILL rig the general election. Hell, they’ll probably work with Republicans to get their candidate in over Mamdani.
Who owns the machines? Is the software audited? Are there tabulation servers involved?
Wouldn’t it have been easier to rig the primary?
Why not really? Nobody would have blinked at the results if he lost the primary. If he loses the general, especially to someone he beat in the primary, there will be a lot more attention. This is especially true with a candidate who’s popularity seems to leap forward every time a poll is done.
And the hand-count auditing of machine results for mayoral primaries is usually overseen by just a handful of people. It’s way more achievable. Tampering with those machines is easy by comparison.
IMO if the conspiracy hinges on “hacking” voting technology, it almost certainly overestimates not only their internal complexity but their role in determining election results.
She’s just saying the only part out loud because she doesn’t have to worry about re-election until 2030.
She needs a primary challenger in 2030. Maybe Mamdani himself.
