• Mangoholic@lemmy.ml
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    If true fck idf us, if not true still enough proven genocide and aid deaths to keep that opinion.

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    Look, I’m as against the genocide as anyone could be, but has anyone actually vetted this claim? This seems like Bugs Bunny-level chicanery

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      The person who wrote this is a journalist from Gaza. Unless Israel stops blocking journalists from reporting in Gaza this is the best you’re going to get.

      This seems like Bugs Bunny-level chicanery

      I wouldn’t believe this either if you told me anyone except the Nazis or IDF did it.

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        Fairly important to point out the Israeli soldier’s large disappointment about their orders from the top to no longer shoot and kill civilians seeking aid. It’s not really a surprise that a week later we see a story like this unless you just completely ignored everything that’s happened in the last two years.

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              The Nazis were far more discrete in their genocide than the Israelis. The amount of evidence for atrocities during the Holocaust is immensely lower. This is why Holocaust denialists exist and trolls who keep disputing the 6 million. Because it relies on families reporting one of their loved ones as killed without checks.

              You apply a standard to Gaza which you apply absolutely nowhere else. When you read a testimony about Sudan do you go “Is there any evidence those RSF soldiers really did that?”

              Here is a great video comparing evidence for the Gaza genocide to the Holocaust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyY9zQJYZ4&t=76s

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                Your comparison would make more sense if I was asking for proof of people being killed in Palestine at all instead of for this specific killing. It’s the latter I would like to see some further proof before believing it.

                You apply a standard to Gaza which you apply absolutely nowhere else

                Of asking for proof before I trust something happened? I apply that to pretty much anything of consequence lol. Palestine is not exempt from it or special in it.

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                No there was proof then too, just much less than after. I wouldn’t have believed it was a thing based on a single claim without anything further either (which is not the same as denial). But same goes for all genocides, real or made up. That’s just the nature of waiting for proof for claims.

                But in this case a better comparison would be a single murder during the holocaust, since we know widespread killing is happening

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      This

      Was there a pile of sand right next to it with the bulldozer waiting rigt next to it?

      It seems a bit too elaborate to be truthful

      Yes, IDF likes to be inventive with their genocide, you know, keep the fun in it, but this seems to be a road runner episode more than reality

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        “did Nazis actually shoot Jews into the Moon to kill them?”

        Would be pretty valid question imo

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          are we claiming that the IOF that commonly runs over people with D9 caterpillars and shot people going for aid sent Gazans into the moon? What are you fucking stupid? what’s crazy about the same group that runs over people with caterpillars and shoot them when they get aid to run them over with caterpillars while getting aid?

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            I’m saying asking for proof on them making a Bugs Bunny trap isn’t same as denying something we knew happened. Goddamn, not that difficult to understand

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        Who would find proof? The Americans and Israelis who did it? Palestinian journalists? That’s what this is…Nobody else is allowed in.

        “Im sure there’s cruelty and suffering but do you really expect me to believe those extreme elaborate stories about Auscheitz? Has anyone found proof”

        ~German in 1941.

        Before the Soviets freed Auschwitz there was no proof. You don’t get tours of the horror while it’s ongoing.

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          And the Nazis deliberately tried to destroy evidence for the death camps in Poland both before and during running away from the Red Army so destruction of evidence is routinely a part of genocides.

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            And you should not. This claim, as stated, is unlikely to be true, but not for lack of will, it just seems hard to pull it off as claimed.

            Now, we know for sure is that Israel wants to completely obliterate the social and psychological being of all Palestinians and would go to any extend to just do that. This also avoid having massive piles of deaths on videos (that will look just too much as those in 1940s), yet are equally effective to achieve the genocide they want at the end. Many of these claims may not even be made by a Palestinians, but by an IDF’s psyop unit to discredit argumentation (as the rationale in not allowing any foreign press, so all claims can be said was “by Hamas”).

            What it is indisputable today is that there is a pure and exclusive intent for genocide in Gaza. For Gazans life has been meticulously calculated to be so devastated that stories like this have little effect now on their life, it seems created more for foreign consumption. Gazan’s have experienced far worse cases of continuous and cruelly designed evil… it is like for us try to identify if Benigni’s La vita è bella was based in a real life story or not… you think the people who went through those camps would had even care to debate it?!

            I would love a competent social psychologist to enter here, but it is hard to grasp how Gazans, children and adults, if ever given a chance, can possible ever mentally recover from the damage cause by this continuous and ever increasing evil.

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          Ah, thanks for the info, was really confused why the hell we had troops over there. This seems like an NGO just doing fucked up shit and calling it aid.

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            Well yes. It’s mostly an Israeli ran project to ethnically cleanse Gazans from the north and force them to move South to collect aid. But IDF soldiers can’t help themselves from committing war crimes at the sites because they are literal cartoon villains.

            The original founder quit after saying it was no possible to not commit war crimes running the org. Now an American Evangelical Zionist has taken over.

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    In any other circumstances I would say that this wile e. coyote shit is too comically evil to be real, but genuinely can’t be surprised anymore by the levels they will stoop to. It’s guilty until proven innocent at this point.

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    So a claim is made that people are bring buried alive in pits, having been baited there with bags of sugar, and the rebuttal is not “we didn’t do that, that’s monstrous” it’s “nuh-uh, we don’t even provide sugar” and the reply to that isn’t a picture of bodies being extracted from those pits, but a picture that shows bags of sugar along with other food items?

    What the fuck is this shit

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      I remember this excuse when Israel executed 15 medics and buried their ambulance.

      “Pics or it didn’t happen” for Palestinians.

      “Why don’t you believe their contradicting testimonies are you antisemitic” for Israelis.

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      Maybe the guy didn’t provide a picture of the pit because he wasnt there at the pit but he provided picture of sugar because he has sugar and that alone disproves their claim that it was a lie based on them not having sugar?

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      According to GHF OmarHamadd writes for TheNewArab, TheNation and AlArabya. Though I’m not sure if this had made it into an article yet. He has deactivated his Twitter after being directly threatened by GHF for reporting on their crimes.

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    I literally feel sick. that’s not aid that’s baiting starving people to death. half of Palestinians are children but zionists don’t care. they don’t care about children or the lives of starving Palestinians. all they care about is progressing their genocide

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    I’m still baffled about how in a place that is completely blocked off from the outside world and the entire population is being starved, money is still a factor in their lives.

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      Groups like the Israeli backed Abu Shabab gang are making millions by stealing food and then selling it on the black market.

      Many people outside Gaza donate to charities which send money to Gazans so they can buy this food. It is a perverse incentive.