A reminder folks: people engage in this kind of radical protest because it works:

Results of two online experiments conducted with diverse samples (N = 2,772), including a study of the animal rights movement and a preregistered study of the climate movement, show that the presence of a radical flank increases support for a moderate faction within the same movement. Further, it is the use of radical tactics, such as property destruction or violence, rather than a radical agenda, that drives this effect. Results indicate the effect owes to a contrast effect: Use of radical tactics by one flank led the more moderate faction to appear less radical, even though all characteristics of the moderate faction were held constant. This perception led participants to identify more with and, in turn, express greater support for the more moderate faction. These results suggest that activist groups that employ unpopular tactics can increase support for other groups within the same movement, pointing to a hidden way in which movement factions are complementary, despite pursuing divergent approaches to social change.

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    Neither is someone acting like a fool.

    The stunt was ridiculous. In the time he spent holding up planes, those jets had to keep burning fuel to keep the Ac going. He put more poison in the air.

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      Sorry, but what are you talking about? Who is he? What jets?

      Maybe take a look at the article?

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      And if they hadn’t done it, those jets would’ve landed on time and other jets would’ve taken off and absolutely nothing would have changed about the total net carbon gain. Protests work, they get people talking.

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        Not all protests are equal.

        All this one did was get people to hate the guy who slowed down the airport.

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          https://drkt.eu/files/protesting.webp

          Also they literally didn’t do it so maybe read the article

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            Kind of proving my point here.

            One guy did nothing and still managed to get arrested. Makes the whole movement look silly.

            Completely the opposite of the situation in the cartoon; a well organized protest that actually reaches the leader.

            Thanks for helping me show how dumb the plan was.

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              Okay I’ll bite. What is your solution?

              Apathy didn’t work

              Peaceful protesting didn’t work

              Scientific inquiry didn’t work

              Political petitioning didn’t work

              How many must die to climate change before you’re personally willing to accept the idea of a harmless but disruptive protest?

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                bootlickers don’t want people to come up with other solutions, they just want to point out the ones they know will work are inconvenient. Also, their fee fees got hurt when people point out they’re bootlickers.

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                  Stupid debate tactic.

                  The people I’ve personally turned to my cause, and the evidence that it works broadly are what makes me think what I’m doing works.

                  I’ll get ahead of your next argument (are you really convincing anyone by being disruptive?): Yes. When I disrupt traffic, I’m not trying to convince the people whose everyday life I’m disrupting by adding 10 seconds to their daily commute. Rather, I am expecting them to be completely and utterly intolerant of me and my cause such that they stir themselves up and look unreasonable. If a bystander sees this dynamic play out, me being calm and my opposition having a baby tantrum in public, who do you think they’re gonna side with when the conversation goes wide or even makes the news?

                  Now you. What is your solution?

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                    Although there is little empirical support for negative radical flank effects, a number of correlational studies support the positive radical flank effect hypothesis (11, 13). But other empirical tests find no evidence that radical flanks increase or decrease support for moderate factions within the movement (14). Thus, the radical flanks literature has yielded inconsistent findings.

                    From your paper.

                    So the author and I agree that this is theoretical at best.

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              Actually invconveniencing people is secondary if you’re still able to get press coverage

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                You get the press coverage. It’s “Idiot Wastes People’s Time.”

                If they bother to read the whole story, they think, “he wasted people’s time for that?”