You form a union and bargain with your employer. Thats about it though
Let me explain why companies are doing things like this. They’ll make unreasonable demands and when you make mistakes as a result, the AI will capture it and they’ll use that in court to blame you as the employee and try to hold you personally liable. This is their way of saying you’re nothing more than a liability to them. Fuck this system. I’d start demanding a new employment agreement to protect yourself.
Yea give up to A.I. that’s the only choice.
I think you misunderstand what a union does.
- Talk to your union
- If you don’t have a union, form one
- If no one else cares, get a new job trucking
Those Solera devices you’ve got are relatively common automotive IoT fleet trackers. They usually have gps antennas. They talk to the engine and transmission directly over canbus. Then they process that data and report what they see over a cell network. If they see nothing, they report that too with a heartbeat signal and various error codes.
Depending on the model, they sometimes have external cell antennas connected with a mini coaxial cable. Find it and unscrew it all the way, then re-screw it in by only 1 and a half rotations so it’ll hang on but barely. Then clip the nearest ziptie so the cable wobbles free. It’ll cause the nut on the coax to get a stress fracture in under a year. They will have to replace the gps/cell antenna module and those are like $300 a piece through Samsora. In the meantime you’ll get iffy signal responses. Don’t let them catch you cutting the zip tie on camera or you WILL lose your job.
Your truck will be in the maintenance shop relatively frequently at the request of whoever reads the reports for repair of that cell module. They won’t find anything wrong with it, scratch their butts, then just screw it back down and replace the ziptie.
Unscrew it and clip it again.
don’t let them catch you, you WILL lose your job
Hey director of IT for a trucking company here, i just want to reiterate this part!
Don’t fucking do this. Any of this advice. You WILL lose your job and we WILL blacklist you from the industry for this shit. Maybe if you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations we wouldn’t need to have ELDs and camera and GPS and fucking canbus monitoring and annual inspections and all of the other “”“invasive nonsense”“” the government requires.
I dont want it either. Its all crazy expensive, annoying to manage, and I have to constantly deal with drivers complaining about it.
Sorry. I’m a little upset with this issue because its a constant issue i have at work. But no there is nothing you can do besides just get another job.
I just want to reiterate it again. Do NOT mess with the equipment your company has in your truck. At best you’ll just get fired but I’ve seen my company respond with legal measures in the past.
Maybe if you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations we wouldn’t need to have ELDs and camera and GPS and fucking canbus monitoring
Those companies would deploy this shit anyways even if the logs were perfect. Anything to blame the employee can and will be deployed.
Those companies would deploy this shit anyways even if the logs were perfect.
I want to say that businesses are famous for spending enormous amounts of money to fix a solved problem sarcastically but I’ve been working too long to believe it.
Still, so much of the problem isn’t with the monitoring but the annoying middle-management response of stack-ranking all the drivers. Rather than just playing your hand, big employers are constantly trying to reshuffle and “optimize” staff in order to squeeze out an extra ounce of profit. And the end result is everyone being immiserated in order to give someone with a marginal fluctuation in performance a raise.
Anything to blame the employee can and will be deployed.
Shit rolls downhill.
Man i have had drivers i work go full on road rage. No really he reached up and tried to tuen off the camera. Im not sure if had a fake button or he jist pressed the wrong on. Bit he the grabbed a gun and got out. This was after pushing a car in the cement baracade.
Its crqzy what some people do in cars
My dude. How would you like a camera over your shoulder every minute of your workday, recording your every move? What might you do faced with that?
I work in an office with cameras ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What’s their justification for needing them?
I sure hope they don’t use the word “team.” Because that ain’t it.
Its an office space we lease. I am not sure who originally installed them as they were there when we moved in.
We do manage them and retain the recordings though.
…and you’re okay with being recorded all day long, just like that?
I understand the practical limitations of privacy. But as the IT admin i am also the one who manages the cameras and access to them so that helps.
You’re the fucking problem. Maybe if you treated people with humanity and worked towards a common solution instead of using technology to drain people’s souls, you wouldn’t have people that hate the shit you’re slinging.
What you do makes the world a worse place to live in.
He didn’t say he was management and bought the stuff. He said he worked in IT. So with any power to make decision across a fleet.
I appreciate you defending me, but I did say I was director of IT so unfortunately I am management. But it wasn’t me deciding to install this stuff on our fleet, it was the federal government.
I’m also a supervisor at work but I don’t always get to decide on things. Often senior management gets an idea in their head and then I have to figure out how to implement it without breaking everything.
I do get to say I’m against something and I told you so. Which is usually followed by a compromise solution.
The safe way to fight back is through the trucking unions, which don’t seem interested in getting rid of this invasive software.
But if every trucker did this they couldn’t blacklist them all.
Well the whole bit about backing out the nut is to cause it to fail in a manner that looks more like a maintenance problem and not a driver problem. Even when stuff like that only happens on one cab, it’s not enough to point at a singular driver.
And yeah all of that advice comes with the rider that “you may be unemployable” afterwards.
I’m a little upset with this issue because its a constant issue i have at work.
maybe find a new job where you don’t act like completely garbage manager? or work to find a human centric solution rather than… oppressive digital technologies?
I hope you end up with a neurolink in your skull and are constantly monitored for wrongthink.
you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations
you are part of the reason everyone hates management. the overburden of society by technofascists like you will result in many horrible repercussions down the line.
giving nerds any power over workers was a mistake
Reading this thread is really selling that dream job.
You all keep doing what you’re doing and there will be no drivers left to squeeze out and make their life even more miserable.The IT lackey just trying to make ends meet has no say in this process.
ah, the just following orders guy
this is a similar argument to the nazis. this is how bureaucracy and management normalize oppressive conditions. a bunch of weak yes-men
Reductio ad Hitlerum is a really weird thing to pull out of your ass on this particular discussion.
So, what I’m hearing is “don’t struggle or it’s gonna hurt more”. I think this advice is horrible.
No. It’s two things.
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Maybe truck drivers should have followed the rules better and drove safer. Drivers cooking their books have caused enormous amounts of harm and death, and that’s ignoring the huge loss of money when a driver crashes because they’ve been driving for 26hrs straight.
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Don’t fucking damage company property. This is actually my biggest sticking point for this whole thing. I dont care if you like it or not, the hardware is not fucking yours and the hardware being there is part of your employment agreement. Don’t like it? Tough shit buddy take it up with the DOT.
Look, Jim, I know you don’t like the explosive collar we bolted to your neck, but you’ve GOT to stop messing with company property
-you
No its more
This thing is not owned by you and is required by the federal government. Please dont damage our very expensive hardware
But yeah blow it up to an unreasonable level and anything sounds crazy.
The only part required by the govt is the electronic logbook. It doesnt need gps. It doesnt need ai. It doesnt need cell. It only needs the electronic logbook. So yeah - blow it up
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This is the reason Unions exist.
Individually you have no power. As a group you do have power to force them to revoke these decisions.
Your choice is joining a Union or not.
Another comment said unions aren’t interested in getting rid of this.
Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do. “Tattling” programs are quickly becoming a staple of any sort of logistical jobs. Companies will parade it around as if it keeps people safe, or it protects the honest employees. It’s designed to give them reasons to get rid of you.
Stick a chewing gum on the thing’s speaker and start singing songs with very dirty and explicit lyrics, like gangsta rap and Bloodhound Gang.
All day long, everyday.
Persuade your colleagues to do the same.
They will have an endless string of report notifications they can’t do shit about.
Fight smart.Edit: still the best thing to do is unionize as many others already suggested, but fighting on more than one front is a good tactic, wars are won by exhausting your opponent.
Whats wrong with joining a union? Some 50 yrs ago, over 80% of factory workers were unionized, today its more like 30% iirc. Its not because unions dont work, its because they do and companies spend copius anounts to get them discredited.
JOIN A UNION.
I love how people talk about joining a union like it’s making an order on Amazon.
If it was that easy bro probably wouldn’t be asking for help.
The reality is in a lot of cases the easier thing to do is quit and fuck everyone else.
Unions do very little to make it easier to create a new one if you are not part of one already, and even if you have the will, you also need the network, people skills, patience, money and contacts to make it work.
Okay, I have to assume you dont actually know how unions work.
Unions arent employer specific. They can be industry specific but they dont have to be.
You just put your city or the industry you work into your favorite search engine and give the first 5 pages a cursory look. Whatever seems most interesting, you do a little research about. It the impression is net positive, you join them. Most unions also have some kind of solidarity thing where people who dont have a lot dont have to pay a lot.
In return, they help you with work problems, help you find new work in some cases and even strike with you.
Please join unions.
Are you in the US? I just tried that for my job and found exactly as many options as expected. I’ll give you 0 guesses how many it was.
I am not, which I realize is a huge privilege at this point in history. I’ve gone ahead and just searched workers union in atlanta (first city that came to mind) on duckduckgo and found this: https://ufcw1996.org/
You can also join the international version of the union which i am a member of. They’re more radical and demand system change and quite large, depending on the country: https://www.iwa-ait.org/
I realize that the us has been completely gutted in terms of unions. That does not excuse not trying to join one and it is exceedingly stupid to blame anyone but the powers that be for this.
Individualizing systemic oppression is one of the largest weapons against an organized population. Making you hate your neighbor, the local soup kitchen etc for some bogus reason is what isolates people an makes them easy to manipulate.
Keep that in mind if you get frustrated with democracy inducing organizations sometimes not being perfect. “Perfection” is another bogus idea of our sick system. “Works” is what we should strive for and noting more because that means more exploitation of life.
I wish you a good read and feel free to contact me if you need help.
You are giving a perfect example of what I’m saying. Zero of your information is useful or applicable and you insist that “just do it bro” is the answer.
You apparently don’t even know unions work differently depending on the country, and yet you “educated” me as if you were giving me the secret to catgirls.
This is exactly my point. There is a disconnect between the ideologues and those privileged enough to be able to join an existing union, and the reality of the majority of workers that can’t simply “just join a union or make your own” like its ordering a meal of Uber eats.
Unions are a privilege, and we should stop acting like it’s something anyone can “just get one bro”.
You’re aware that you’re claiming things and provide no sources or proof for them, right?
Maybe lets start with trying to do the basics in debating other people. If you make a statement that is not unilaterally understandable, you back it up.
That said, your ad hominem shows me you lack the personality to survive in a union. Going after fellow workers gets you kicked out in a heartbeat. We’re one class. Divided we fall, united we stand.
Now show respect and explain if you think I’m wrong or gtfo.
“You lack the personality to survive in a union” yikes.
Sometimes I wonder if people like you are actually purposefully bad actors trying to give worker movements a bad rep.
But yeah, blind ideologues like you are exactly what I’m talking about. Sorry you need someone to explain this to you. Don’t worry I’m sure you’ll find someone who can deal with you.
Cheers buddy.
Lol why don’t you touch some grass?
Do you know what kind of sensors it relies on to observe its surroundings?
It’s probably more than just this, but if anything audio related, you could try to come up with a poisonify device to fuck with it.
Might be more trouble than it’s worth if you’re not tech savvy, wish there was more stuff like this I could recommend.
ETA: Also wondering if something like a Flipper Zero or HackRF One could help create some convincing false-positives.
ETA2: read the replies to my comment, valid concerns regarding getting fired and/or throwing off the scent from yourself
Messing with company property is the fast track to getting fired.
I know most of the comments here are from ignorant disinterested observers who aren’t really thinking through what they are saying, but man. If the first thing you think of is fraud and sabotage when your employer acts within the boundaries of your contract, you’re a bad person.
Are you an employer or a bootlicker?
Well, I’m not an employer. You’ll have to define what “bootlicker” means to you. Go ahead, I dare you.
Are you also endorsing fraud and sabotage? It sure seems like you are.
Okay… Bootlicker: A person who behaves in a servile or obsequious manner.
You seem to be an ardent defender of the ownership/elite/capital class’s controlling behaviors. If you’re not a member of that class and say what you have been saying, then you are a bootlicker of said class.
I don’t believe me calling you a bootlicker is an endorsement of fraud or sabotage, although I hope things work out for OP. That would be such a demeaning situation to be in.
Holy fuck you all are a bunch of callous assholes. Telling someone to “join a union” or “ask your union” about it are fucking mental. Do you really think OP is working a union gig or are you really that stupid to think you just go out to the union store and ask for one union card? How is this helpful to anyone who is in a non-union job working for a non-union company. I’ll bet you all are the same people that tell depressed people to “just be happy.” It’s just useless, if not ourtright malicious, advice to give someone.
Quit. Let them know why you quit. You are a truck driver and can get another job within a week.
