Chinese police hunting international corruption targets were allowed into Australia by the federal police and subsequently escorted a woman back to China for trial, in a major breach of Chinese-Australian police protocols.
The revelations, contained in Monday night’s Four Corners program about a former Chinese spy, prompted a sharp rebuke from federal politicians who are concerned the act may have undermined Australia’s national security.
The Chinese police were permitted to enter Australia in 2019 to talk with a 59-year-old Chinese-born Australian resident.
The woman was targeted under a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) anti-corruption drive called Operation Fox Hunt, which relies on police from the Ministry of Public Security (MPS) to make arrests.
Her case is one of 283 cases documented by an international NGO, Safeguard Defenders, in its recent report, Chasing Fox Hunt.
While Fox Hunt is described by the CCP as targeting “economic criminals”, human rights groups have said it is also used to silence dissidents and abduct people around the world.
Can’t speak for Australians, but as a Canadian who expects that the same could happen here - why the fuck are our governments so apathetic about this shit?.
Stand up for the people trusting you. Be MAD. Stop doing it if you’re also doing it.
Even the article is apathetic… they write “escorted” her back to China, when it’d actually be “kidnapped” or “abducted”…?
In the UK there was a peaceful protester and the Chinese dragged him into the embassy grounds and beat him in front of the public. They have diplomatic immunity.
Nothing was done obviously.
No wonder China and Russia shit over us and act like we are weak. We are. We proved it multiple times.
Fuck the West is shadow of what it once was.
I think this is what molotov cocktails were made for.
Might want to look up the etymology. Molotovs tended to be aimed at Western partisans.
The name originally comes from Finland and the Winter War, where they were used against soviet tanks.
As a result, the Finns sarcastically dubbed the Soviet incendiary cluster bombs “Molotov bread baskets”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail
You are confusing the Hungarian Revolt in '56 with the Winter War in '39.
Why don’t you quote that whole paragraph:
The name’s origin came from the propaganda Molotov produced during the Winter War, mainly his declaration on Soviet state radio that incendiary bombing missions over Finland were actually “airborne humanitarian food deliveries” for their “starving” neighbours.[13][10][better source needed] As a result, the Finns sarcastically dubbed the Soviet incendiary cluster bombs “Molotov bread baskets” (Finnish: Molotovin leipäkori) in reference to Molotov’s propaganda broadcasts.[14][10] When the hand-held bottle firebomb was developed to attack and destroy Soviet tanks, the Finns called it the “Molotov cocktail”, as “a drink to go with his food parcels”.[15][16]
I gave you the link, my guy. I assumed you knew how to click it.
Yeah, it’s not like western governments, “intelligence” agencies or police would ever beat protesters, persecute political dissidents, murder civilians, torture suspects in designated black sites, ally with dictatorships who torture and murder journalists with bone saws, overthrow democratically elected governments, or engage in any behavior that is horrifically anti-democratic or anti-human rights.
That time when the west was historically great was a lie. We were only better than fascism or communism, but our ruling class, the politicians they own, and their corporations have always engaged in horrific shit. Ours just hide behind the media and a liability shield of a dozen LLC’s, or do it hidden behind closed doors — unless you’re a palestinian, protester, communist, or a dozen other groups who are okay to oppress publicly at any given time.
Yeah and everyone knows: Whataboutisms are a really great way to argue your point!
It would be Whataboutism if I defended the accusations against China or Russia. I explicitly said we were better — just only better than the bottom of the barrel — and the whole point of my comment was to refute the right-wing nationalist fantasy that we were historically “strong”, “great” or “righteous”; a time that never existed in reality.
I suggest you learn what maketh a logical fallacy.
the Chinese dragged him into the embassy grounds and beat him in front of the public
Uh… any link on that? I’m not finding this reference anywhere.
The article isn’t clear as to what precipitated the brawl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_at_the_Consulate_General_of_China,_Manchester
The individual was part of a crowd attempting to harass individuals within the embassy, not someone police snatched off the street at random.
Bob appears to have tried to drag off a member of the consult in the act of tearing down signs, only to be pulled inside himself in a tug of war with the consulate staff.
Nothing about this looks peaceful.
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I cannot not read this in Cave Johnson’s voice.
I didn’t read it that way the first time, but yep. J. K. Simmons energy all over that comment.
Devil’s Advocacy:
The why is really really simple. The actions taken in result have the potential to cause more harm than help. Tariffs don’t work, censureship is useless, and war is… yeah. They can get up on stage and shout about how angry they are but it means fuck all. The important part is how WE deal with it. Legislature starts from the grass roots level, political activism and engagement can help make new laws that expressly do not allow extradition by the CCP and other adversarial nations, or in any way allow an arm of the CCP to search for or request information on any individuals.
“Escort back to China” sure is a weird way of saying they kidnapped her.
Traditionally, countries will have extradition agreements that facilitate arrest of criminals in flight.
Thanks to break down in relations between China and Western states, it has become increasingly common for Chinese embezzlers and con-artists to flee abroad with cash assets in hopes of evading arrest.
Of course, this works both ways with Australian felony suspects hiding in China to the same effect.
In 2017, the Turnbull government abruptly withdrew from parliament a proposed Chinese extradition treaty following significant backbench discontent.
Since then, the Australian government has resorted to various agreements with MPS and other Chinese security agencies as a means of cooperating with China on criminal matters.
So this becomes an end run for both countries to seek “voluntary” extradition, primarily by threatening potential accomplices and family property in the original country.
And it exists for good reason. You generally don’t want your country to become a haven for fraudsters because they’ll keep committing fraud in their new country.
Yvette Wang, accused of being an accomplice of exiled and indicted Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, pleaded guilty in New York last week to defrauding many investors out of over $1 billion in “a complex scheme,” prosecutors said.
Fraud in China has far worse consequences than fraud in Australia. Even if I were to be arrested, I’d prefer it to happen in Australia where I can get off with a slap on the wrist.
Even if I were to be arrested, I’d prefer it to happen in Australia
On Monday, as the temperature soared to 43 C in Roebourne, the Service revealed the “distressing outcome” is that prisoners are still living in cells without air-conditioning, in “conditions that could prove fatal from heat stress or heat stroke”.
Enjoy yourself, I guess.
Fraudsters aren’t being shipped to a regional prison in one of the most remote areas of the country lol
True. White collar crimes getting the white glove treatment isn’t unusual in the West, no matter how many lives are ruined.
I’ll take 43C/109F to a forced labor internment camp but you do you.
I’ll take 43C/109F
I would pass on it.
Oasis agriculture in the Tarim Basin occupies a large part of the population
In the Tarim Basin, July temperatures average about 80 °F (27 °C)
…
After the Cultural Revolution, political and economic policies were moderated, leading to widespread improvement in the livelihood of farmers and pastoralists and to relative stability and economic growth in the region. This was accompanied—especially from the late 1990s—by increased economic investment in Xinjiang, as well as by an influx of Han from other parts of China.
Sounds awful. Enjoy your Australian prison.
They’re not saying they want to go to prison in Australia. They’re saying it would obviously be better than going to prison in freaking China.
I feel like you’re a Chinese prison salesman or something.
They’re not saying they want to go to prison in Australia.
No, they’re just hanging their hat on “China Always Worse”.
you’re a Chinese prison salesman
That’s a sane and logical conclusion
they’re just hanging their hat on “China Always Worse”.
Compared to Australia? Yes, going to prison in China would be worse.
How much you want to bet that jail has even a single white collar criminal in it exposed to 43 C heat?
Thanks. That’s what I needed to know.
Ok so now we will not allow Chinese police into Australia right?
insert Anakin and Padme meme
China being China, this shit has been going on for decades
I can’t see how anyone involved with allowing this isn’t complicit.
What possible reason did the police of a foreign nation need to be physically there for, other than physically removing someone?Ms Wang’s whereabouts are unknown. She may still be in China or she may have faced trial and since returned to Australia, as have some of the 16 Australian-based Fox Hunt targets who returned to China since 2014 to face trials there.
It looks like it’s been catch-and-release once the Chinese embezzler returns enough stolen money.
As criminal prosection goes, that’s incredibly cushy. Far nicer than what a drug importer would expect.
And it appears to be reciprocal, as Australians are known to flee to China to evade arrest as well.
But isn’t punishment for embezzlement in China death? Ohh I just did a cursory search and it’s only for serious cases.
Lai Xiaomin, previously chairman of one of China’s “big four” state-controlled asset management firms, China Huarong Asset Management Co, had pleaded guilty to the dozens of charges. He had been accused of soliciting almost 1.79bn yuan ($276.7m) in bribes over 10 years, a period when he was also acting as a regulator.
A high ranking state official who extorted over a quarter billion dollars got the death penalty.
The death sentence for Lai, in one of China’s biggest financial crime cases, was handed down without a two-year reprieve – a commonly added caveat that allows death sentences to be commuted to 25 years, or life in prison after two years.
I think this is what the surprised Pikachu meme was created for.
They do it because they can and there are no consequences, it’s not the wolf’s fault for eating the sheep, its the shepherd who left the door open.
Nah it’s still the wolf’s fault, even when the shepherd is terrible. Take the wolf out of the equation, and the sheep live regardless of the shepherd’s capabilities.
Deer populations have doubled
Rabbit populations have octupled
Local flora has decreased
Desertification has increased
Fun hyperbole, but this all assumes wolves are the only predators.
And your metaphor was a fun oversimplification.
Chinese Communist Party’s…anti-corruption drive. Next up, we’ve got prostitutes fucking for virginity. 🤪
Kinda glad where I live there’s absolutely no way our government would allow CCP police to reach me. (unless the CCP police goes undercover and kidnaps me)
Sure about it?
If they talk about the USA - then yes. Not because the government loves its citizens and respects their rights - simply because it hates China.
USA doesn’t pay enough attention. A few CCP spies with a van and a blackjack could grab someone in USA 100% and you’re deluded if you think otherwise.
Still If there’s someone they need in china they would probably trade you over
Depends, are we talking about Chinese nationals or immigrants? They a naturalized citizen? I remember some reports about Chinese people being harassed by Chinese police here in the U.S. just last year.
Pretty sure there’s no way my government would allow it. Sure, secretly kidnapping me might not be too difficult, but my government would never officially give permission to the CCP police to have a talk with me (as the Australian govt. did in this article). I live in Taiwan btw.
There must have been some kind of cooperation, Australia has custom offices and border controls at airports and harbours. They won’t let her out without looking at her passport, etc.
Read the news better…
Maybe they shoved her in a diplomatic pouch.
Why the heck would Australia even allow Chinese police on their soil? Isn’t this usually done by requesting extradition? Makes no sense.
4 years without a headline. The AFP didn’t even consider this objectionable. The AFP are scum.
I am not supplies
Surprised
You callin’ him a liar? >_>
Sounds to me like China is asking for a bomb. Australia should give them one. You don’t come steal my cat after asking for pets unless you want me to show up at your door and shoot you in the face.
!iAmVeryBadass
Would you do less for your cat?
News flash they do this shit everywhere.
Because the world runs on money.
China has lots of moneys.
Say what you will about conspiracy nuts, but the idea of a world government is very very real and has been for a long time. It’s always been about the money.
Edit: Yall can downvote brigade me until the cows come home and you’re blue in the face (not to mention multi-account abuse for downvoting being arguably worse on a fedinet instance) - the fact is, the chinese have mini-govt buildings setup all around the world. This case isn’t the first, nor will it be the last. Mald harder.
Woa, buddy.
Among the myriad ways to tell that there is no world government… if there was a single world government, money would be irrelevant to situations like this - there would be no issue to smooth over because no-one’s sovereignty would have been violated.
Explain why you think my theory of the world running on money is far from the truth.
It’s far from the truth to assume there’s one cohesive government entity that collaborates and communicates well enough to do something like this, and to assume not a single person associated has decided to be a whistle blower.
Edit: a word
Not the same commenter but still, nevertheless, interested in the convo ofc
It may not be an explicit government, but that’s why I specifically said in my retort “the world runs on money”.
Are you speaking about yourself? Because you absolutely are the same commenter.
They are talking about you. Their first reply was to someone else but the second was for you.
That was a very unconventional way of phrasing that.
They forgot to switch to their alt lmao
Lmao
… so either you’re on alts or have such a lack of self awareness that you don’t even recognize what you did.
Either way I think we’re done here lol
Again, are you speaking about yourself? You’re the original commenter, not me.
the level of reading comprehension, the number of assumptions kids make these days - its fucking horrifying, innit
Not at all, some concepts are harder for some. Some grow up in environments that make learning ugly, alienating, etc. I do want to ask - would you catch flies better with vinegar or with honey? Or are you more interested in squashing?
the idea of a world government is very very real and has been for a long time
Yes, it’s called Star Trek and many of us want a future like that.
Now that I can get behind
Not as many know it was only achieved through nuclear holocaust.
why is everyone so retarded about this? there are ACTUAL ATTEMPTS AT WORLD GOVERNMENT - the UN for example - and there are actual think tanks publishing actual documents with this as the goal, publicly available, which are funded by government, yet people just start screeching whenever it gets brought up. You guys do realize it’s possible to actually know stuff, right? fuck.
