U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez castigated House Republicans for pursuing massive cuts to Medicaid "in the dead of night" as a committee markup hearing on the GOP's legislation dragged on into the early hours of the morning.
Take a really hard look at yourself if you think a leftwinger should have no red lines at all in what they support.
Only unprincipled people have no red lines at all, and if you think that somebody who doesn’t have a red line when it comes to supporting an ethno-Fascist ideology like Zionist is going to have a red line when it comes to things like destroying the Environment, further weakening worker rights or further destroying social security, then I have a water crossing piece of real-estate to sell you.
She could easilly had just abstained, but no, she had to support Zionism.
Reminds me of Marx Groucho’s saying “I have Principles. If you don’t like them, I have others” - if AOC acts like that, how is she ethically any different from the likes of Pelosi?
“Compromise” is the ultimate vague excuse for dishonest politicians - it justifies everything and is the ultimate salesman argument.
Talk of “need for compromise” is right now used by the worst amongst the Democrats to support Republican legislation and has backed 4 decades of the Democrat Party moving so far to the Right that they’re as Rightwing Reagan was on Economics and even more to the Right that he was in subjects like immigration.
You keep making bullshit blanket statements. You need to understand that not all compromises are the same – what you compromise on and why matters. AOC was not ever going to get the party to budge on Zionism, so what’s the fucking point of destroying her credibility and effectiveness on other issues by tilting at windmills?
Speaking of which, you have no credibility and I don’t give a fuck about anything you have to say. Go away.
Mate, given the style of your interaction with heavy recourse to personal insults and the low (low, low, oh so very low) reasoning and intellectual level it proves, going away from your posts is a great advice.
Insulting random internet strangers is really just the discourse equivalent of public masturbation: you’re doing it for self-pleasure and most passerbyes just turn their face away so as not to have to see it, except for a tiny fraction of people who actually enjoy seeing somebody have a good wank in the middle of the street whilst caring naught for whatever bullshit they’re saying whilst they wank.
Insulting delivers pleasure to the kind of intellect and type of personality that believes others have a low enough mental age that they will feel bad when a random internet stranger which they’ve never seen before insults them, something that they themselves only believe because they would feel like that in the other person’s shoes.
Meanwhile a fraction of passerbyes will give positive feedback, same as a fight on a street might get a handful of people who stop, stare and maybe even egg on the combatants. However on the street it’s plain to see that almost everybody just moves on and tries to ignore the fight, whilst on the Internet, one can’t seen those who just “move one trying to ignore it” and might convince themselves that they have support for their style of comment.
The real reason for Politeness is not the “you should do it because it’s the right thing to do” that parents tell their rebel teenagers before their brains have fully developed, it’s that the pleasure some people get from being rude, is often more than outweighed by the long term effects on the audience of being frequently impolite, which are worse the smaller the environment and hence the bigger the chance others will cross paths with you having made their minds about your character by a previous display of rudeness.
Whilst Reddit is a city, were people can get away with a lot of shit (far beyond mere rudeness), Lemmy is still more of a village, so the negative effects will be greater.
I shouldn’t have to explain in a step by step way this pretty basic adult knowledge that most people figure out by themselves when they become mature adults about the actual concrete benefits of behaving in certain ways rather than others in social contexts.
Sure mate, keep up doing the same as until now and not demanding consistency and honesty from supposedly left-of-center politicians.
Blind following politicians making tall promises and not demanding that their actions match those promises (just like the MAGA crowd does) clearly and with now shadow of a doubt is the way for the country to be ruled in the interest of the many rather than the few, as the last 50 years of doing exactly that clearly prove.
Keep on doing the same and expect different results, just like Einstein advised!
There are other, actually honest and Principled Democrats worthy of your support, most notably Bernie Sanders.
AOC, sadly, with this just proved herself as an unprincipled politician who just talks the right talk but when push comes to shove doesn’t walk the walk.
Actions speak louder than words, and if in her actions she betrays the principles she claims to have for this, what else will she betray when its convenient for her?
Might want to support the Democrats who actually stick by the principles they say they have rather than annoint “heroes” and “saviours” based purelly on the quality of their talkie-talkie and then mindlessly rage when they’re criticized for not following in action the principles they claim to have.
Nonsense. AOC is about as principled and moral as anyone can expect from a politician. Just because she doesn’t perfectly align with your expectations on this one specific issue, does not mean she should be tossed aside.
This position does not negate her positions on Universal Health Care, Climate Change, Worker’s Rights, Immigration Rights, etc. Even with her position on Israel (which could evolve) she is still on the correct side, and a strong warrior against MAGA.
It’s really, REALLY stupid to reject her on this one single position on this extremely complicated issue.
I wish more people could understand that. So many people are still angry that the Dems won’t make him their candidate, but he is NOT a Democrat.
The presidential nomination is the highest award the party can give to a member, and they are going to give it to someone who has been a loyal party member, raised money for them, stuck up for them when they’ve done stupid stuff, etc.
Bernie is none of that. He may caucus with the Dems, but he has ALWAYS been an independent. For many years, he was the ONLY independent. He doesn’t raise money for them, doesn’t get in on their nefarious little backroom deals, doesn’t defend their nonsense on talk shows, etc. he’s been almost as critical of Dems as Republicans.
So the DNC is NEVER going to give him their nomination, any more than they’d give to a Republican. Imagine if the Dems decided to give the Democratic nomination to John McCain because he had a career of bipartisanship. Bernie is basically the same thing.
Ok, I’m not an American so clarify this for me: was he also not a Democrat when he was a Candidate in the Democrat Primaries against Hillary Clinton (hence then it was allowed only because of that) or has he left the party in the meanwhile (hence we would not be able to run for it now) or was he always an Independent and it was always allowed?
Because if AOC trully is the ONLY hope for the American left, you people are indeed trully fucked if she turns out to have “flexible” principles.
The desperation of having no other viable option would explain the “She’s CANNOT be criticized” style of feedback I’m getting to criticizing her for, in this subject not actually standing for the principles she claims to have, including people talking about the whole “we have to vote for the lesser evil” part, which only makes sense if there is literally no other viable candidate from the left side of the Democrat Party and hence AOC being less than honest being panic inducing for anybody not a full-on neoliberal (which would explain the number of people whose response to me was little more than personal insults)
Yes, we are truly fucked, and if you check our political history, have practically always been truly fucked, remain truly fucked, and continue to be truly fucked - as evidenced by our current administration and the last… All of them.
We had to fight a civil war to convince a solid half that slavery had to stop. And then kept doing it anyways, and still do it today. The whole empire sits on the graves of the original people, the survivors of whom still live in reservations we put on the shittiest possible land, and have for centuries now with no change regardless who’s in power.
This is the USA. This has always been the USA, once you peeled off the Hollywood varnish.
Oh man, that explains the rage I’m getting for just being a Skeptic and daring criticize AOCs “inconsistency”.
Sorry for you guys!
It’s always easy to be pretty strict about Principles and Skeptic about the motivations of those in politics, when one sits outside with no real stake in a race and hence no real emotional investment in it.
(Mind you, I’ve been just the same towards the leading figures of the political parties I was a member of in the countries I lived in, so maybe it’s something else - as I see it, the more important the person the more important it is that they behave beyond reproach)
That said, America didn’t seem to always been fucked - surely there was a post war period up until the late 70s were for most things were pretty good (certainly as a kid I used to look up to that America), though with the caveat that it was only true if one wasn’t an Afro-American.
Even if we agree that the US was always somewhat fucked, surely the current level of being fucked is pretty record setting?!
There are no other candidates for her elected position. So we could not vote and let another republican in or vote for her if you live in her district. Not understanding this is why you are a dumb ass. I’ll keep using personal insults when they fit.
You insulting others is a veritable public service - it quickly signals to everybody else how much of your point is the product of “reasoning” and how much it is mindless emotionalism (exactly the same way MAGAs operate, so congrats on that) so saves everybody else time and effort.
Do keep up tagging yourself like that random internet stranger! 👍
You seem to know so little about US politics that you are overconfident in your opinions. Like a real life Dunning-Kruger situation. Being stupid is something that can be remedied, but you are for sure very dumb when it comes to US politics.
Also, idiots tend to hide behind big words and logic.
I am getting real sick and tired of fake-leftist concern trolls pushing bad-faith purity test rhetoric.
Agree 100% She’s one of the few who take no money from AIPAC. This might be bot activity?
Take a really hard look at yourself if you think a leftwinger should have no red lines at all in what they support.
Only unprincipled people have no red lines at all, and if you think that somebody who doesn’t have a red line when it comes to supporting an ethno-Fascist ideology like Zionist is going to have a red line when it comes to things like destroying the Environment, further weakening worker rights or further destroying social security, then I have a water crossing piece of real-estate to sell you.
She could easilly had just abstained, but no, she had to support Zionism.
Reminds me of Marx Groucho’s saying “I have Principles. If you don’t like them, I have others” - if AOC acts like that, how is she ethically any different from the likes of Pelosi?
If you’re too fucking stupid to understand things like compromise and strategic voting, that’s nobody’s problem but your own.
You need to take your own fucking advice and quit being a condescending dipshit.
Were do the compromises stop?
“Compromise” is the ultimate vague excuse for dishonest politicians - it justifies everything and is the ultimate salesman argument.
Talk of “need for compromise” is right now used by the worst amongst the Democrats to support Republican legislation and has backed 4 decades of the Democrat Party moving so far to the Right that they’re as Rightwing Reagan was on Economics and even more to the Right that he was in subjects like immigration.
You keep making bullshit blanket statements. You need to understand that not all compromises are the same – what you compromise on and why matters. AOC was not ever going to get the party to budge on Zionism, so what’s the fucking point of destroying her credibility and effectiveness on other issues by tilting at windmills?
Speaking of which, you have no credibility and I don’t give a fuck about anything you have to say. Go away.
Mate, given the style of your interaction with heavy recourse to personal insults and the low (low, low, oh so very low) reasoning and intellectual level it proves, going away from your posts is a great advice.
For everybody in the back:
Polite isn’t right. Polite isn’t smart. Polite. Isn’t. Nice.
You’re here wasting time painting AOC of all people as a goddamn zionist.
Nobody needs to be polite to obviously bad faith (or deranged) bullshit like that.
Insulting random internet strangers is really just the discourse equivalent of public masturbation: you’re doing it for self-pleasure and most passerbyes just turn their face away so as not to have to see it, except for a tiny fraction of people who actually enjoy seeing somebody have a good wank in the middle of the street whilst caring naught for whatever bullshit they’re saying whilst they wank.
Insulting delivers pleasure to the kind of intellect and type of personality that believes others have a low enough mental age that they will feel bad when a random internet stranger which they’ve never seen before insults them, something that they themselves only believe because they would feel like that in the other person’s shoes.
Meanwhile a fraction of passerbyes will give positive feedback, same as a fight on a street might get a handful of people who stop, stare and maybe even egg on the combatants. However on the street it’s plain to see that almost everybody just moves on and tries to ignore the fight, whilst on the Internet, one can’t seen those who just “move one trying to ignore it” and might convince themselves that they have support for their style of comment.
The real reason for Politeness is not the “you should do it because it’s the right thing to do” that parents tell their rebel teenagers before their brains have fully developed, it’s that the pleasure some people get from being rude, is often more than outweighed by the long term effects on the audience of being frequently impolite, which are worse the smaller the environment and hence the bigger the chance others will cross paths with you having made their minds about your character by a previous display of rudeness.
Whilst Reddit is a city, were people can get away with a lot of shit (far beyond mere rudeness), Lemmy is still more of a village, so the negative effects will be greater.
I shouldn’t have to explain in a step by step way this pretty basic adult knowledge that most people figure out by themselves when they become mature adults about the actual concrete benefits of behaving in certain ways rather than others in social contexts.
Oh yeah, this is the totally brilliant line of thinking that helped put Trump back in office. You’ll forgive me if I discount you entirely.
Sure mate, keep up doing the same as until now and not demanding consistency and honesty from supposedly left-of-center politicians.
Blind following politicians making tall promises and not demanding that their actions match those promises (just like the MAGA crowd does) clearly and with now shadow of a doubt is the way for the country to be ruled in the interest of the many rather than the few, as the last 50 years of doing exactly that clearly prove.
Keep on doing the same and expect different results, just like Einstein advised!
Lol keep rejecting everything but the gold standard even as the country is falling, just like Daddy Putin advised!
Oh man, that’s the second response I had today at the level of a 5-year-old.
Cheers for another laugh.
Gee, I wonder why everyone feels the need to talk to you like you’re a child.
Lots of words to try to explain being a dumbshit. It’s moral to support the lesser of evils, full stop.
There are other, actually honest and Principled Democrats worthy of your support, most notably Bernie Sanders.
AOC, sadly, with this just proved herself as an unprincipled politician who just talks the right talk but when push comes to shove doesn’t walk the walk.
Actions speak louder than words, and if in her actions she betrays the principles she claims to have for this, what else will she betray when its convenient for her?
Might want to support the Democrats who actually stick by the principles they say they have rather than annoint “heroes” and “saviours” based purelly on the quality of their talkie-talkie and then mindlessly rage when they’re criticized for not following in action the principles they claim to have.
Nonsense. AOC is about as principled and moral as anyone can expect from a politician. Just because she doesn’t perfectly align with your expectations on this one specific issue, does not mean she should be tossed aside.
This position does not negate her positions on Universal Health Care, Climate Change, Worker’s Rights, Immigration Rights, etc. Even with her position on Israel (which could evolve) she is still on the correct side, and a strong warrior against MAGA.
It’s really, REALLY stupid to reject her on this one single position on this extremely complicated issue.
Bernie is not a Democrat
I wish more people could understand that. So many people are still angry that the Dems won’t make him their candidate, but he is NOT a Democrat.
The presidential nomination is the highest award the party can give to a member, and they are going to give it to someone who has been a loyal party member, raised money for them, stuck up for them when they’ve done stupid stuff, etc.
Bernie is none of that. He may caucus with the Dems, but he has ALWAYS been an independent. For many years, he was the ONLY independent. He doesn’t raise money for them, doesn’t get in on their nefarious little backroom deals, doesn’t defend their nonsense on talk shows, etc. he’s been almost as critical of Dems as Republicans.
So the DNC is NEVER going to give him their nomination, any more than they’d give to a Republican. Imagine if the Dems decided to give the Democratic nomination to John McCain because he had a career of bipartisanship. Bernie is basically the same thing.
Ok, I’m not an American so clarify this for me: was he also not a Democrat when he was a Candidate in the Democrat Primaries against Hillary Clinton (hence then it was allowed only because of that) or has he left the party in the meanwhile (hence we would not be able to run for it now) or was he always an Independent and it was always allowed?
Because if AOC trully is the ONLY hope for the American left, you people are indeed trully fucked if she turns out to have “flexible” principles.
The desperation of having no other viable option would explain the “She’s CANNOT be criticized” style of feedback I’m getting to criticizing her for, in this subject not actually standing for the principles she claims to have, including people talking about the whole “we have to vote for the lesser evil” part, which only makes sense if there is literally no other viable candidate from the left side of the Democrat Party and hence AOC being less than honest being panic inducing for anybody not a full-on neoliberal (which would explain the number of people whose response to me was little more than personal insults)
Was, specifically for the primary, and then left.
Yes, we are truly fucked, and if you check our political history, have practically always been truly fucked, remain truly fucked, and continue to be truly fucked - as evidenced by our current administration and the last… All of them.
We had to fight a civil war to convince a solid half that slavery had to stop. And then kept doing it anyways, and still do it today. The whole empire sits on the graves of the original people, the survivors of whom still live in reservations we put on the shittiest possible land, and have for centuries now with no change regardless who’s in power.
This is the USA. This has always been the USA, once you peeled off the Hollywood varnish.
Oh man, that explains the rage I’m getting for just being a Skeptic and daring criticize AOCs “inconsistency”.
Sorry for you guys!
It’s always easy to be pretty strict about Principles and Skeptic about the motivations of those in politics, when one sits outside with no real stake in a race and hence no real emotional investment in it.
(Mind you, I’ve been just the same towards the leading figures of the political parties I was a member of in the countries I lived in, so maybe it’s something else - as I see it, the more important the person the more important it is that they behave beyond reproach)
That said, America didn’t seem to always been fucked - surely there was a post war period up until the late 70s were for most things were pretty good (certainly as a kid I used to look up to that America), though with the caveat that it was only true if one wasn’t an Afro-American.
Even if we agree that the US was always somewhat fucked, surely the current level of being fucked is pretty record setting?!
Anyways, you take care and good luck.
There are no other candidates for her elected position. So we could not vote and let another republican in or vote for her if you live in her district. Not understanding this is why you are a dumb ass. I’ll keep using personal insults when they fit.
Sure mate.
You insulting others is a veritable public service - it quickly signals to everybody else how much of your point is the product of “reasoning” and how much it is mindless emotionalism (exactly the same way MAGAs operate, so congrats on that) so saves everybody else time and effort.
Do keep up tagging yourself like that random internet stranger! 👍
You seem to know so little about US politics that you are overconfident in your opinions. Like a real life Dunning-Kruger situation. Being stupid is something that can be remedied, but you are for sure very dumb when it comes to US politics.
Also, idiots tend to hide behind big words and logic.