Media illiteracy is part of the reason they are right wing in the first place. They do not make those connections.
Also see: every conservative Trek fan
Their brains should be studied for science. How are they not crushed under the weight of their own contradiction?
It might partially be that Worf’s suggestion to shoot first and ask questions later tends to be the solution.
Or that TOS was progressive for the '60s but we caught up and passed it.
Or that Berman, who ran the franchise for the '90s shows, was actually pretty conservative and progressive messages had to be almost snuck past him.
Sadly some TOS seem progressive by today’s standards because the GOP dragged society that far back.
I wonder if one day we’ll say “Remember when Blade was a black guy? Ah the woke years.”
I shudder at the thought
Remember when Eric Trump compared the Democrats to the Resistance and thought that was a burn?
Strange how the felons kids have stayed real quiet in the last few months…
Right wing star wars fans probably love the empire and wish they were darth vader. Just because they like a piece of media doesn’t mean that theyre interpreting it the way it was intended or the same way you are.
They love the Punisher, but perverted the purpose of the fictional hero
It’s also why they love the old Disney shit so much. Because in many of the old movies it’s the aristocracy who are being portrait as the good guys and who defend the peace from turning into anarchy.
Maybe we’re not thinking of the same movies, but when I think of old Disney I don’t see that pattern:
- Snow White: an orphan girl, bullied by her step mom, flees into the woods to live with dwarfs, then becomes a princess because she’s pretty.
- Pinocchio: wooden puppet is given life by a fairy to reward its craftsman for being a good person.
- Fantasia: artistic vignettes
- Bambi: life of a deer.
- Cinderella: an orphan girl, bullied by her stepmom, becomes a princess because she’s pretty, with the help of a fairy who rewards her for being a good person.
To me it seems like the good guys are mostly attractive youths with a strong work ethic and no parents.
Which is why the Prequels were the worst thing ever. It made kids think Anakin Skywalker was a good guy and it’s the Jedi Council’s fault they didn’t give him the respect he deserved because he was strong and powerful. Dude was a creepy weirdo when talking to Padme, told her fascism was cool, massacred a village, but because he’s so powerful and awesome, Padme (a Senator) instantly becomes a trad wife.
Then came a bunch of cartoons showing how awesome this guy is (biggest Mary Sue ever) while making it seem like being a storm trooper would be a cool and honourable thing. And now we’ve got a bunch of video games that showcase how awesome and bad ass Darth Vader is.
It’s not like a pro-fascist interpretation of the Prequels comes out of nowhere. An adult watching those movies sees these things and dsimiss it as George Lucas phoning it in while making those movies because he only cared about toy sales. But it’s easy to see how a kid watching these movies would identify with Anakin Skywalker and be influenced towards having fascist tendencies.
Also The Last Jedi is the most misogynistic movie in the franchise if you ignore the marketing and think about how a child would interpret it. But that’s a story for another time.
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No they don’t.
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They kinda do see some vague similarities (there is a prison) if they squint but it’s different because reasons.
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They do but they think it’s woke garbage anyway.
Until Andor, Star Wars had paper-thin worldbuilding that let right-wingers see themselves as the Rebels.
Luke is a rural white boy who learns the true religion, which is being suppressed by the government. He uses his religious beliefs and skills honed as a farmboy to fight back. Han Solo is a businessman who just wants to make money moving goods from A to B, but the government keeps interfering, trying to destroy his business (and his personal property).
What are the rebels fighting for? Basically it seems to be about personal liberty and the right to practice their religion. If there’s any ideology beyond that, the movies don’t really get into it.
In most of the series, the empire is literally faceless. The storm troopers have full body armour that covers everything up. The Tie Fighter pilots have full helmets that cover their faces. The only people with faces you see on the empire’s side are the generals and the emperor. That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.
Part of what makes Andor such a great series is that it puts faces to a lot of the mid-level people in the empire. You see their backstabbing, their jockeying for position, striving for promotion. It really shows what kinds of people work for the empire, and what the values of the normal people are, and why they might want to join the rebels instead.
- There is no such thing as a “right wing” Star Wars fan.
- They cried when Palpatine died.
I’m sorry to inform you that there are right-wing Star Wars fans. Just as there are right wing whovians and trekkies and bronies. No it doesn’t make sense but there it is.
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Their right-wing mind does not understand metaphors to reality so they don’t see it
They don’t understand projection either. Makes it black and white.
I poked my fan into the Star Wars Reddit fandom once, and it seemed like they hate Andor?
I was honestly baffled at the time. I’m not a huge fan, but it’s like the best Star Wars thing I’ve ever seen (with the runner up being kotor II)
Honestly only ranks below the original trilogy for me. It’s really fantastic on all levels.
To me, the original trilogy is… ok.
That’s probably why I’m not in the Star Wars fandom, heh.
Still, Andor felt so fundamental, quintessential Star Wars.
To me, the original trilogy is… ok.
The original trilogy has a very mythological feel that none of the other works have ever managed to fully capture (and, honestly, that feeling was on the wane even as early as Episode 6). I can name the modern works, outside of Star Wars, that have that atmosphere on one hand. It’s a very delicate balance to get that atmosphere, and I think even the OT only succeeded at it by happy accident.
Still, Andor felt so fundamental, quintessential Star Wars.
I agree entirely. Can’t wait to see Season 2!
“The original trilogy has a very mythological feel”
I can’t remember where I saw it, but I read something that part of why Andor feels so different to other Star Wars is that the original trilogy (OT) felt like a space opera — the characters exist on a stage, and the world around them ceases to be when the characters leave. This probably contributes to the “magic” of the original trilogy.
Andor, by comparison, has such strong world building and supporting cast that it feels like the world is real, and we only get a small glimpse into what’s going on. My favourite minor character was the dude who hits the anvil-bell thing; he takes his job so seriously that it gives a ritual feel to the job, and I get the sense that this is an honoured role.
I don’t think it’s better or worse than the feel of the original trilogy — just different — but Andor is refreshing because far too much of Star Wars has captured neither the mythological magic of the OT, or the realism of Andor. I think Andor is the last piece of Star Wars that I care about, so I’ll be devastated if season 2 is disappointing
Leftist and I honestly think it’s one of the most embarrassing pieces of Star Wars media to ever exist
Edit: If I called the Heist arc mid, that would be giving it more praise than it deserves. You can’t change my mind.
Would you care to elaborate on why that is? I would say it’s easily the best piece of star wars media to come out since Disney took over, and arguably prior to that. It doesn’t get overly bogged down in trying to reference or shoehorn in references to other star wars characters like parts of The Mandalorian or the sequel trilogy and it tells a compelling and emotional narrative about the path one man takes to become a dedicated member of the resistance
“Right-wing Star Wars fans” in for a rude awakening when they figure out who the Empire represents.
jfc
I wonder if they just haven’t discovered 40k yet.
I had a former coworker who was a hardcore Trump-publican and also really into Warhammer 40k, Star Trek, and to a lesser degree Star Wars, and at least once a week would play Pink Floyd’s “Animals” and “The Wall”. That media illiteracy hits hard.
OTOH, look at all the Stormtrooper cosplayers, who actually have formal legions and get into character about defending the Empire the way Good Germans would about the Third Reich.
One problem with Star Wars is that it makes fascism look cool to enough of the public that the next generation of real-world Nazis approvingly quotes it. (Compare this with Doctor Who, whose in-universe fascists, the Daleks, are kind of pathetic and not something anyone would emulate.)
The downside of the Daleks being kind of weird-looking is that people don’t recognise them as fascists and so fascists happily keep watching Doctor Who (even though they hate everything about it and will write books about why it’s being cancelled any day now).
It’s no use depicting fascists in popular media, they don’t recognise themselves in the villain.
Actually (not so) funny story… I had a neo-nazi kid in my class growing up… like wear a nazi arm band to school level, and he was a massive star wars nerd. He actually liked the empire tho, so… he’d be fully on board with this representation
Amazing that the school didn’t do anything. Curious as to which era of Star Wars this was? Early, Prequels, later?
Well the school was quite limited in what the could do as long as no teacher saw him displaying the symbols directly, so… basically only show it to people when the teacher leaves the room, or during breaks etc.
In terms of eras, im not sure? Im not a star wars fan myself… this was like 2018-2021, so im imagining everything up to then… I know he talked about yoda quite a bit, if he was in a specific era only that may help narrow down his favourite
I figured it was probably an isolated wearing, and of course kids don’t want to be the one who tells on someone.
So he had no real excuse on Star Wars. Not that the early films were less obvious, but there was less to work with and the joke was “the Empire did nothing wrong” to side on the cool side of their tech. But once you pass the point where one of the Dark Side is killing children…and are okay with that not even in a handwaving manner…
No yeah… that guy was like an actual fascist defender when it came to stuff like the holocaust… not denier, defender… killing children was probably the thing that worried him the least there. I remember when in politics class we were supposed to set up our own political parties and have a mock election for a project he did go full alt-right with it too… honestly I kinda wonder to what extent he was actually down that rabbit hole, or if a lot of it was just being edgy… but like… he was in general also super obsessed with military stuff, and at school during P.E. he’d do various exercises you’d get in the army, with the intention to join after graduation… either that or the police, he’d talk about both just as much as star wars, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
For a lot of terminally online edgy teens, it all starts as edgy jokes. Like using the n-word, joking about the Holocaust, etc. The problem is that they will be associating with true believers. Their “sense of humor” is off-putting to most people so they retreat further into their echo chambers. The line gets blurry. Time passes and they’ve been pretending to be a fascist for so long that it’s no longer pretend, it’s just who they are.
Remember how pepe the frog, the silly 4chan character, literally turned into a symbol of racism and fascism? It’s this but for real people.
Oh yeah definitely :3… I mean with that guy it just started with being obsessed with the military, and then it was ww2 tactics, and then ww2 nazi tactics, and then suddenly there are swastikas drawn everywhere… so at least some of it was totally going through the nazi pipeline
Kinda wonder what he’s up to now :3
Wouldn’t be surprised if he got his wish to become a cop.
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Nobody watched Andor LOL.
