• kingofras@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Form a new party!!! Don’t call it Labor or Labour. Don’t call it Green. Don’t call it progressive. Don’t call it socialist or liberal.

    Just give it a name that people understand and don’t have preexisting bias against. “For The People”

    Take on BOTH the democrats and GOP. Become popular overnight. Keep hammering home it is not about skin colour, race or country of origin, but about the billionaires that aren’t happy with paying no tax and having billions. Make it about the 99%.

    It is the only way you’ll get your country back without excessive violence. The two status quo parties are hollowed out from the inside. And both are infiltrated by foreign interests.

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      4 months ago

      The 99% Party. It’s a slick way of calling it a worker’s party without sounding like a communist party.

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      That’s what Bernie is saying. He’s calling all progressives to run as Independent, aka No Party Preference, down ballot so we can shove the Corporate DNC into the GOP where they so desperately want to be anyway.

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      The thing is, you can “not call it socialism” all you like. The fact is that it is socialism, you have to respect people’s intelligence enough to know that they will figure that out (or be easily convinced of it, if you really need an argument that doesn’t respect their intelligence). When this happens, and even moreso when you inevitably reveal yourself to be socialist, it will make you look deeply insincere and subversive, because you yourself will have fed into this taboo and not done the work of separating the term from its negative stigma or generating positive media for it.

      Socialism is simply the fact of the matter and being socialist means caring about material reality enough to not just lie and gaslight as a means of convincing people. When you get attacked for being socialist, you will not be able to backpedal without sabotaging your own movement, because there will be a litany of evidence that you are socialist. As there should be, or you would not have the support of actual ideological socialists (remember that whole material reality thing I just mentioned).

      The material reason why socialism is a “no-no” word is because when the right attacks it, the liberal establishment does what they always do; they backpedal. Not only does this make the right’s criticism look reasonable, because it confirms there is real reason to fear being associated with socialism; but it ensures that the people only ever hear the arguments against socialism, never the arguments for it. All of the arguments which are intrinsically associated with socialism; which you have done all this work to propagate; are never connected to it optically, and the people never learn what it actually is, leaving all of your policy open to attack.

      What you are suggesting here is not the solution but exactly the issue that has brought us to this point.

      The only way that you will ever launder the term “socialism” is by openly advocating for socialism and calling it what it is when you do. You just aren’t going to beat the establishment at their own game; rather, we must show the people what it is to be respected and hear policy based in material reality that will actually address their needs, and you will win support from across the spectrum.

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        I disagree. And I don’t mean to preach, but there is a power in words and using them (or not using them). The fight over the word and meaning of socialism is not what “the people” need right now, that can come later. This has been happening in the US closing in on a century. It’s not those tolerant of material reality (as you say) you need to convince, it’s those that would benefit from “the peoples” agenda that don’t acknowledge material reality. Ride the wave of making billionaires pay.

        Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.

        Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.

        Socialism is what they called farm price supports.

        Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.

        Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.

        Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.

        When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan “Down With Socialism” on the banner of his “great crusade,” that is really not what he means at all.

        What he really means is “Down with Progress–down with Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal,” and “down with Harry Truman’s fair Deal.” That’s all he means.

        • Harry Truman

        Don’t swim against this right now. These programs from the new deal and fair deal are not even called socialist by American standards anymore.

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      Ones I like after going on a Thesaurus and US Declaration of Independence wiki hole. The ones further below are just ones I thought were okay as they came to me.

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      People’s Voice Party

      American Party

      Workers Party

      Freedom Party

      Citizens Party

      Peoples Party

      Revolutionary Party

      Common Party

      United Party

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      Workers Party

      Blue Collar Party

      Trades Party

      Skilled Party

      Collar Party

      Rust Party

      American Party

      Freedom Party

      Citizen’s Party

      Liberty Party

      People’s Party

      Civil Party

      Center Party

      Working Party

      99 Party

      99% Party

      Luigi Party

      Rights Party

      Blue Party

      United Party

      Sovereign Party

      Human Party

      Marching Party

      US Party

      Founding Party

      Founders Party

      National Party

      Revolutionary Party

      Colonial Party

      Fundamental Party

      Common Sense Party

      People’s Choice Party

      People’s Voice Party

      Laws of Nature Party

      Nature Party

      Equal Party

      Pursuit of Happiness Party

      Standing Party

      Family Party

      Native Party

      Great Party

      Fighting Party

  • pseudo@jlai.lu
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    4 months ago

    I’m educated enough in American politics to understand elusive news about Musk ans Trump but about not that Bernie guy. Is that a first or last name and what was the point of the rally? Also is a rally like a démonstration?

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      It’s a first name. He’s a politician somewhere between PS and UDI on the spectrum, so for Americans he is an extreme radical leftist, for normal people a basically sensible centrist with some heart. Has a cult following for a long time, seems like a nice guy probably.

      A rally is like a demonstration but with establishment politicians speaking.

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    They need to organized this momentum into a proper party, maybe call it the labor party or the progress party. But most importantly they need to not be scared to use actural leftist rhetoric and appeal to class conscious workers.

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      Disagree. There are a huge number of republican working class that need representation, and who are not the enemy.

      The anti-1% party is a much more viable proposition than going left vs right.

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        Like Democrats, many Republicans are just voting for the “lesser evil” and aren’t really loyal to their party. They just hate Democrats.

        A new party sidesteps and allows those “lesser evil” Republican working class voters to jump ship. They will not ever vote for a Democrat, so stop being Democrats.