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America has gone full nazi at this point,
- you have the SS, i mean ICE police
- you have Auschwitz camp in another country, I mean el Salvador
- courts have no power anymore, supreme court works for trump
- congress is in on it
- the richest guy in the world is making nazi salutes
what else is there ? They will even make a deal with russia to divide ukraine, just like stalin and hitler did with poland.
And the complete absurdity of Trump’s SCOTUS voting 9-0 for returning him home and Trump just said nah…
US Senator apparently went there and was refused entry and everything.
Republican fanboys are calling it a political stunt.
It wouldn’t be anything if they didn’t fuck up to begin with.
I like how this still implies that it’s only wrong because he had a legal situation.
After all illegal immigrants are not really human, right?
I thought it implied that Garcia couldn’t be returned because they died.
Update, turns out they are still alive.
The term is illegal ALIENS. Makes it extra racist.
The word comes from the Latin alius meaning other
Apologetic much? Dehuminization is dehuminization in my books.
Lol, I made no judgement about the use of the word, merely giving the etymology. I’m sorry you misinterpreted me as defending xenophobia.
From the Greek xeno meaning strange.
Maybe read the room a little before posting. My sarcasm, in this case, is very warranted, but you “correcting” me with an etymology lesson really makes you look apologetic. Why would you post something so irrelevant to the conversation?
He’s most likely dead. That’s the reason why they can’t get him back.
Edit: furthermore even if Chunky Cheeto said on TV that he knows the guy is dead because he killed him himself then absolutely nothing would be done about it.
USA, the land of seemingly unlimited guns yet none of you will do anything about the dictatorship that is happening before your eyes.USA, the land of seemingly unlimited guns yet none of you will do anything about the dictatorship that is happening before your eyes.
Remember how America has the largest military on the planet, and how even our local police forces are armed with machines of war and mass destruction. Yeah, every single one of those guys works for the dictator so forgive me if I don’t go John Fucking Rambo on the White House with a repeater I bought at Walmart.
We’re showing up to protests by the millions, we’re using our voices, we’re pressuring elected leaders to stand up and fight back, we’re fucking trying to stop this shit, so honestly fuck off with this sort of reductive armchair general critiquing.
Remember how America has the largest military on the planet, and how even our local police forces are armed with machines of war and mass destruction.
This guy went against a column of tanks with two bags of groceries.
Americans can’t get organised to march with their guns to see how far the military will defend the dictatorship, when you make it hard for them.
So for years we’ve been right about the 2A, completely useless and only there to feed the military-industrial machine, weak egos and gang violence.
Yeah and he died. Get off your fucking high horse and stop pressuring people to commit suicide in the name of what you think is right.
Will you stop posting shit claiming he was accidentally deported? He was deported intentionally. The government lawyer who argued in court that the government had deported Garcia by mistake has since been fired. Stephen Miller himself said that “There was no mistake”. They are deporting whoever they can get their hands on.
The Trump administration said in court filings Garcia was accidentally deported.
That accident was because they are deporting whoever they can get their hands on.
Did 2 judges deem him to be MS13? Because if they did I’m getting Rittenhouse vibes over this. Dems jumping up and down/flooding the internet by calling him (Rittenhouse) a murderer. The law is clear, as dumb and idiotic as Rittenhouse was, someone pointed a gun at someone who was also armed. He defended himself. But Dems were in so deep they were acting like brainwashed Republicans. This may end up similar. Dems are in too deep, soaking up post after post telling them he was never part of MS13 and are too arrogant to admit they were wrong.
Congratulations!
And yet you have added nothing to the conversation. Well done alekwithak
You’ve actually subtracted from the conversation by spreading false information that the rest of us have to go and correct.
You’ve already spouted so much blatant misinformation it’s clear you only absorb what conforms to your fucked up worldview. I’ve wasted enough time arguing with people who don’t care about facts and reality. Now I just give them silly awards and move on, and it is just as productive.
Do you want to see the court transcripts showing that he was never in the state that the person accusing him of being a gang member said he was in? Or the court ruling that said he wasn’t a gang member?
When you read the 5th amendment do you skip the “No person” section?
I’m not disagreeing or agreeing I’m just pointing out the issues with each narrative and don’t want to be sucked into another embarrassing false narrative by the Dems. One side is saying he was MS13 and a duel citizen and the other is suggesting he was not MS13. If he was not in the state, that doesn’t disprove he was MS13, which as far as I can tell is what this is all hinging on. Legally speaking though it is on the judge to show sufficient evidence for their ruling. If they couldn’t get the state he was in right that does call into question the rest of his judgement about him being MS13.
INAL but no person would apply only to US citizens? Kilmar being a duel citizen is where it gets grey?
Can you show one source claiming they were a dual citizen? You are literally the first person I’ve seen make that claim.
You fundamentally misunderstand the state-gang claim. One person said he was in the gang when they were in the other state. Except they have never been to that state. That’s one of the reasons a judge found the claim they were in the gang by be completely baseless. A judge. The judge that reviewed all the evidence.
Nine Supreme Court justices, the president, and the lawyers representing the president all agreed that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was here legally and was illegally deported without due process. Yet people who can barely pass a Turing test know more than these experts and came to a different conclusion.
No person means no person. Citizen or otherwise. The Constitution doesn’t grant rights. It assumes they are inalienable to all people and established rules telling the government they couldn’t take them away. This is constitutional law 101. Everyone gets due process. Citizen or otherwise. Because the alternative was the road to tyranny.
What do you see in this satellite photo of CECOT?
that would be: a lot of blood
I don’t think it’s a killing place. A place like CECOT which is purpose built, if they needed a secret killing place that was overflowing with that much blood, then they would need a way to dispose of the bodies on an industrial scale. The most likely method would be a crematorium disguised as a trash incinerator. It would have to be close to the killing place because moving bodies is risky and labor intensive. A crematorium or incinerator would have a very obvious smoke stack and would have some gas infrastructure nearby, like a gas line with bleed vents, a tanker-sized LNG tank, and/or above ground valve control areas.look for something like that nearby.
It’s possible that the bodies could be getting chemically dissolved or fed into a grinder and destined for the wastewater treatment plant which is southwest of the prison alongside the access road.
But those are expensive and labor-intensive, respectively.
If you think you see an industrial amount of blood, you gotta think about what the rest of the logistics chain looks like too.
That is well thought out. Thanks.
What’s the source of this image? Unfortunately with everything else I’ve heard about cecot I find it easy to believe this is legit but this is the first I’ve seen of it
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wH2iWwbEzgCYNxjP8
Unless they changed the satellite image
It’s not a slave labor camp. It’s a concentration camp. That dude is probably dead now. Call your representatives ASAP if you live in the US. Trump must be deposed and arrested. Same with his fucking Goebbels wannabe, Pam Bondi, and Propaganda Barbie the second.
Don’t forget Miller in this
That’s certainly who Goebbels wannabe is referring to.
So we are all now sheep that can be plucked up and sent away to a private for-profit prison. That is the definitive end to freedom as a United States citizen. Neat Republicans. Fucking swell.
What were you expecting from fascism? Or did you just find out that trump is a fascist?
Last year or so a provenly innocent man was executed in the United States for a murder even the lead prosecutor on the case thought he was innocent and worked to get his own conviction overturned.
Always been like this.
Where do you think Copmala earned that name?
She made a carreer of denying proven innocents a retrial since it would bring down her conviction rate.
Or
More than 100 immigrant youth in San Francisco were detained or deported because of a 2008 city policy implemented by former mayor and now-Gov. Gavin Newsom and supported by Kamala Harris
https://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-ca-harris-police-shootings-20160118-story.html
Among other despicable thingsI am aware. Obama was called the deporter in chief at one point. The main thing is that it was also democrats trying to prove that they were ‘tough’ to conservatives in the same way Bill Clinton tried to do that in the 90s.
It never worked. They will always be seen as the party of pansies. Netenyahu and fascists in general love Trump far more because even though the democrats kiss Israeli and corporate ass as much as Republicans, the republican rhetoric is much stronger.
You’re right, all those holy libs complaining about it are just hypocrites.
They get real mad when you call them out on it.
When it’s just the poor and minorities they don’t actually care about they can look away and enjoy their great democracy, but when they get a taste it’s fascism.
A slave labor camp? You people are literally bat shit crazy. I can agree with the fact he was wrongfully deported based on the fact that a judge gave orders for him to rightfully be here in 2019. But to say it’s a slave labor camp? You people are sick, Say that to the families that lost family members to the sick murderers and rapist that are in that jail. That jail has changed the live of many people in El Salvador and they can actually live a peaceful Life knowing they’re not going to get slaughtered for Pocket change or for walking down the wrong street or taking the wrong turn on The wrong road. Jesus if you guys plan on winning an election again it’s not gonna be with this bullshit
RANDOM INNOCENT people got sent to El Salvador! You numskull!
Here comes the name calling because you can’t have a conversation. This is what the left does all the time when they don’t know how to have a conversation they resort and name-calling. You are making it seem like every person in the jail is innocent. Even in America And all over the world there are people in Jails that shouldn’t be there. Are you only standing up for the people that should not be there? because what it looks like to me is you guys are also Standing up for the criminals that deserve to be in there
I’m not arguing with you, you are bad-faith trash. Now is not the time to argue, now is the time for the reckonning!
EDIT: And I hope you get sent to El Salvador’s death camp.
lol my dad is literally in El Salvador right now I’m El Salvadoran. If there was a legit death camp there I doubt he would be there right now. You’re literally uneducated and you believe whatever the news tells you
I fail to see how calling others “bat shit crazy” and “sick” is not name calling, but “numbskull” is…
How about you clean up your own porch before complaining about your neighbours?
Yes that ideology that the left seems to have is literally Crazy. You guys would rather stand up for violent criminals that rape and murder then law abiding American citizens like Laken Riley Who was brutally raped and murdered by a Venezuelan that was arrested multiple times and should have not even been in the streets. President Bukele said It best to the human rights groups, “If you don’t like what We are doing take two of these little angels to your house, you can keep them” and they had nothing to say. Honestly if an immigrant needed a place to stay would you let him stay in your house? I doubt it you talk a big game but you don’t stand behind what you believe supposedly
Oops, you failed to be able to have a conversation since you began with name-calling. That’s your rule, right? My rule is “don’t talk to people who are unable to have a conversation”.
Bye.
So basically you’re calling yourself out because you don’t know how to have a conversation
What is “zero idleness” but forced prison labour, and what is forced prison labour if not slavery?
Also, while I don’t disagree that it used to be worse for many El Salvadorians, that doesn’t mean one should be silent about the total lack of any process with which alleged gang members are being imprisoned there, seemingly for life. If you want to claim that’s worth it, that’s your prerogative, and as someone who’s never been to El Salvador, neither before nor after the crackdown, I don’t think I can judge it. Still, you can’t ignore the issue.
They are locked up 23 hours a day and get one hour a day to come out for exercise. So it’s definitely not a forced labor camp. And thank you for thinking rationally because you’ve never stepped foot In El Salvador before or after the crackdown and I have. I remember before people would tell you to make sure you don’t drive down certain streets or go to certain places, to not walk with your phone in your hand or headphones in. That has all changed El Salvador has always been beautiful but now it’s safe and President Bukele has made us very proud to be where we are from. Que viva El Salvador!
I mean, I get all that, but even if we leave out the conditions that might or might not be present in the prison, and how many of the inmates might be innocent (how would we know, without the possibility of due process), I don’t see how anyone could justify rounding up people from the US, who where in many cases in the immigration system (meaning not “illegal immigrants” in the classical sense) in the streets and sending them to a prison in a different country, with no legal representation, no contact, and no knowledge of what will happen to them long term.
It’s practically government sanctioned kidnapping.
Look I’m not talking about the 200 people that were sent there recently I’m talking About the people that were already. When you look at those guys that were already there they all have literally tattoos all over their bodies from The top of their head to their toes covered in their gang. Those are not innocent people, And please don’t try to defend those people because those people are in there for murders and rapes in extortions. Defend the families that lost loved the ones in the hands of those guys
Then it’s a concentration camp
You are what’s wrong with Liberals and Democratic party right now. You try to compare a jail that literally has people that have been proven guilty for murders and rapes to a concentration camp Where millions of innocent Jews died, They are not the same not even remotely the same. And just so you know because clearly you have no knowledge whatsoever about prisons a lot of prisons in America are 23 and 1. So I guess in your eyes those are concentration camps too?
Concentration camps are not the same as the Holocaust, that is a category error. The us has had concentration camps, not that they were justified.
concentration camp
noun
- A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as suspect.
- A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.
- A camp where large numbers of persons—such as [political prisoners] [prisoners of war] [refugees]—are detained for the purpose of concentrating them in one place.
My identification of concentration camp in this regard is definitionally correct. The best type of correct.
I understand what you’re saying like the Japanese concentration camps. But Those people were innocent just like the Jews.
Also this jail houses nothing but gang members. There are no political prisoners, Prisoners of war or refugees there. For example if we get three DUIs they will not send us to this jail we would go to a different jail or if we got arrested for a white collar Like a Ponzi scheme
How would you make that determination without a trial? What evidence was there that this man that was sent is a gang member that committed a crime? Just because someone was sent to this jail does not retro-actively make them guilty. The man in question was literally a refugee, and was given asylum specifically because he was, and why the judge demanded his return. So yes he is innocent just like the Japanese and Jews. He was also sent there without a trial. he was also sent there only because his group affiliation by race and nationality that the government finds problematic. That checks more than the necessary boxes to label the prison a concentration camp.
You try to compare a jail that literally has people that have been proven guilty for murders and rapes to a concentration camp Where millions of innocent Jews died,
“Proven” you do realize most of these people were imprisoned without due process right? How are they proven to be guilty if there’s no due process? You replaced gangs you can fight with a gang you can’t fight. Enjoy.
Look if you’re talking about the 200 people that were sent there OK you got a point. But what about all the other people in there?
Okay apparently they do have a semblance of due process so that’s my mistake, but I mean look at this shit.
The order, which was initially set to last thirty days but has been extended 31 times,[40] suspended the rights of association and legal counsel, increased the amount of time that persons may be detained without being charged from three days to fifteen, and permitted the government to monitor citizens’ communications without warrants.[39] However, Salvadoran law enforcement was accused of violating even the expanded limits of their powers.[30][38] The government also restricted the ability of judges to offer prisoners alternatives to pre-trial detention, like bail and house arrest.
Members of Nuevas Ideas passed new rules that increase prison sentences for convicted gang lords to forty to forty-five years (previously six to nine) and twenty to thirty years for other members (previously three to five)[29] and reduce the age of criminal responsibility, previously sixteen years old,[41] to twelve.[42] They also passed a law that threatens anyone who reproduces or disseminates messages from gangs, including news media, with ten to fifteen years in prison.[43]
-Wikipedia.
There’s no guarantee at all that all or even most of those people are actually gang members, because the processes and legal rights that would guarantee that have been suspended for three years. You’ve been under a state of emergency for three whole years. I understand that you’re sick of gang violence, but here’s a piece of advice from someone with firsthand experience: No gang is worse than an authoritarian government. At least you can fight the gangs if push comes to shove. Wait no scratch that, an authoritarian government, with no exaggeration, a gang that also has access to a full-fledged military force.
Are you proud your President Bukele is sucking Donald Trump’s dick?
No I’m proud that he made the country safe After it being the murder capital of the world. Somethings gotta give to get to that point. It’s funny because people like you think you can fix the situation by just giving hugs and kisses to people or something unfortunately that doesn’t work life is not a Disney movie. And I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you’re probably a Nobody that has gotten nowhere in life because in life especially when you’re in high places sometimes you gotta suck a little bit of dick, you just gotta make sure you suck the right dicks
You’re clowning yourself. It’s a death camp. You can clearly see the bodies stacked on the property. That jail is nothing but a gate to hell. No one deserves that. It’s just more corruption by the powerful.
So is it a slave camp or a death camp? You can see the bodys stacked on the property? Please show me send me a link or something. I am El Salvadoran so I’m sure I would have known this info by now. Matter of fact my dad is in the same town that this prison is in at the moment (The prison sits on the outskirts it’s very hard to reach for a reason). The prison is on the outskirts of San Vicente and that’s where my dad has his house. The thing is you can have your opinion and be upset about the idea of sending American citizens to a foreign jail because that’s not OK. But to criticize the jail like you know anything about it when you don’t makes you look like a fool.
I don’t need to send a link. Go look it up on Google Maps. The news has covered it. Stop being a useless waste and do your own footwork. It will take seconds to see the satellite images.
If you’re pro murder. Just say it bro. And hopefully the admins ban you.
I just did my research also and the only thing you can see are people zooming in from Google maps saying what they think is something. None of that is credible there is no credible source. Stop trying to compare El Salvador to North Korea you scumbag
So why the fuck is your country putting up military checkpoints. Stopping US Senators from checking on the man?
What? There are checkpoints before you get to this prison no matter who you are. This prison is very isolated for a reason, so they purposely have these check points just incase it’s someone trying to break someone out. Also they don’t pull people over the way they do here with sirens behind you. They have checkpoint type of stops or what we would call blitz (they do it here around the holidays sometimes). Seriously do some research, read a little bit before you come to a conclusion. Crazy that this will get downvoted for just explaining to you how people get stopped by police there.
Also the senator from Maryland got to see him and talk to him yesterday.
I’ve been to both and if I had to choose I’d take NK.
Now you’re just trolling. If you wanna have a conversation we can have one if you’re gonna be a moron go on Reddit. And I could bet my life you’ve never been to North Korea. And on top of that our food is better our weather is better our women are better so go have a blast in North Korea lol
I would wager you know nothing about the weather or the food in NK. Also who doesn’t like Asian women?
I’m El Salvadoran. If this was really happening I would have known this information way before you trust me. Again my dad is literally in the same town at the moment that this jail is in. You try to prove a point and you have nothing to show that it’s true you are literally one of the problems on the Internet and and this country you feed misinformation and then when someone asked you for a credible source you have none you are literally a fucking dork. And no I’m not pro murder but I’m pro citizen for the citizens of the country that deserve to live a peaceful life and not be brutally murdered on the street over pocket change or because you’re buying hotdogs from the wrong vendor. You know nothing of El Salvador you never spent one minute of your life there So your opinion is literally useless
I’m El Salvadoran. If this was really happening I would have known this information way before you trust me.
Sure you would have, buddy… 🙄
Hahahaha. See this is exactly what the left does when they lose the conversation when they have nothing else to say, I find it hysterical.
Salvadorian guy who is illegal gets sent back home. Stop trying to make it something it’s not.
Was absolutely not here illegally. He had a court order protecting him from deportation specifically to El Salvador. We actually could’ve deported him to almost anywhere else in the world and the courts would’ve been fine with it.
I think you are confused, you dont deport him to a different country. He didnt want to get deported because El Salvador is hard on criminals. Go tell El Salvador how to handle their citizens lol. We deport people back to their country of origin unless its Venezuela who wont take back their criminals.
And maybe a few homegrown American citizens too, eh?
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
So you’re in favor of kidnapping american citizens and putting them in death camps.
Yeah if they play stupid games! Fuck em
