But seriously this will suck for people living in Syria. But hey good thing we got rid of Assad amirite?

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        16 days ago

        Fun fact, the name for the bird in a given language is just whichever country from which the speakers of that language believe the bird originated.

        In many languages the name for the bird is basically Kolkata because they thought the bird came from India.

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    That’s the problem with founding a state based on genocide and ethnic cleansing. When you’ve convinced yourself that you’re literally doing the will of God, when are you actually “done” with God’s work? Just how big is the “Jewish homeland” supposed to be? The Torah said that Yahweh gave the ancient Israelites all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. A fundamentalist Zionist can justify, based on a direct religious reference, that Israel can rightfully expand that far based on the direct word of God. And God never said the Israelis couldn’t conquer more land beyond those bounds. It’s a recipe for self-destructive never-ending conflict.

    Israel’s MO is pretty obvious at this point:

    1. Antagonize your neighbors just over the border until they start attacking you back.
    2. When your neighbors retaliate against your harassment and violence, send in the military to secure a “buffer zone,” billed as a demilitarized zone like the Korean DMZ. Say you can’t have Jews and Arabs living right next door to each other, so a buffer is needed.
    3. Once the buffer zone is established, let Jewish settlers in to build towns and cities in what was supposed to be an empty safety buffer.
    4. After a few years, Jews and Arabs are once again on each other’s doorstep.
    5. Start again antagonizing the neighbors (who are usually the same people you displaced a generation ago.)

    This has been Israel’s strategy for decades. They’ve seized “buffer zone” after “buffer zone.” They let their people move into the buffer zone, and then suddenly they don’t have a buffer zone anymore. They use their own civilian population as human shields, putting them in a position where they are guaranteed to be attacked by angry people the Israeli government and settler forces are continually antagonizing. Then when they’re inevitably attacked, that can be used to justify expanding the borders even further. Oh, and none of their neighbors can resist this process through direct military action, as Israel has a nuclear arsenal. No one can afford to get in a total war with Israel.

    I really don’t know where this ends. At this point I think the best thing for Mideast peace would be the Iranians, Egyptians, or Turks getting a nuclear weapon themselves. The only thing that’s going to stop the never-ending drive for Israeli lebensraum is if they expand until they’re up against someone too tough for them to boss around. And that’s probably going to need to be a country that is themselves a nuclear power.

    The other problem with this expansion is that it gets baked into the Israeli society and economy. It’s a bit like what happened with ancient Rome. Their whole economy became dependent on this process of expanding, conquering peoples, subjugating and enslaving them, etc. They had to keep expanding just to keep their economy running. They paid their retired veterans with stolen land. The only way you can keep that model going is by expanding forever. And eventually they expanded beyond what they could manage. The same thing is happening in Israel. They have whole sectors of their economy dependent on this process of expansion and settlement. At this point, even if they wanted to, they can’t just say, “ok, we’ve expanded enough. These are our fixed borders now and forever.” They can’t do that without collapsing the part of their economy that is dependent on selling and developing all the land they take. They can’t have peace without causing a massive recession. They’ve become addicted to stealing land.

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            17 days ago

            I would prefer for NATO to respond and invade the Zionist entity, overthrowing the Zionist regime, thus ending the occupation.

            It would only really work if the US went along with NATO, though. Probably won’t happen. Then again, Trump put sanctions on the Zionists so maybe he would take some limited action to show them they have to keep in line?

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              In that scenario, the “state building” of a post NATO overthrow of Netanyahu would just install some other coloniser freaks into power. Historically this usually ends up being someone more fucking evil than even the imagined caricature of the old guy.

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              17 days ago

              If the US went along with NATO

              Sadly, NATO doing anything is other countries going along with the US empire. It has never been the other way around. Why should they turn against their own country sized military base?

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        17 days ago

        to the average lib israelis are closer allies than muslims. I doubt they make a distinction between turks and arabs. Turkish people are aware of this as well. However since seppoland decides if and who they may attack I dont think they will actually fight. If they can disregard their masters orders then nato is dead anyway and the whole mena&eu region becomes a free for all.

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          I doubt they make a distinction between turks and arabs.

          My chud family member hates Turkey as if it’s 1450 and she’s a peasant in Austria. Chuds and libs are so brain broken by hating Muslims, I’d wager the EU and NATO will just ignore an Israeli war on Turkey

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            Well the average chud doesnt get to decide policy and losing turkey means losing incirlik and the bosporus unless they believe that Israel can occupy and keep the whole of Turkey stable enough. Turkey is too valuable a buffer zone, the figurative entrance to the “walled garden”. NATO is not gonna let their attack dog maul their sentry. If Israel ever gets to attack Turkey it means Israel has broken with the west in which case I dont think they are going to make it past the south-east taurus mountains, if they manage to make it past the border at all, since they have to fight on their own and everybody around them hates them.