Yeah, I mean how many of those here constantly saying resist are willing to take a gun and kill another person here? Build a bomb and actually use it? Are they willing to support those who are willing to use violence? House them, hide them, protect them?
We’ve seen what the other side is willing to do on January 6th, they’ve shown they’re willing to resort to violence and condone it.
Will the left be willing to actually do this? Because that’s what resisting fascism means.
The fact that you’re advocating for violent insurrection without taking into account the mass casualty event that will follow reveals how delusional you are about this kind of resistance in the US.
Immediately after the first flashpoint, the already-militarized police force will begin a campaign of violence to suffocate any obvious resistance. Martial law will be declared to support them. Just having a cellphone makes everyone an easy target. We have no healthcare without a job, and likely workplaces will see retaliation if they maintain employment of anyone deemed an enemy of the state thereby preventing you from ever being able to see a doctor.
What you are advocating is what a high school student advocates for after watching the film adaptation of Les Miserables.
So what’s your solution to fascism? Trying to shame them by pointing out their hypocrisy? Appealing to their sense of empathy? “Slamming” them for their behavior in a tweet?
For something like you’re recommending to succeed, you need allies and justification. As of now, violence isn’t being meted out, so foreign allies would not see justification in these actions. As offended as they are, no one of significance in Canada, Greenland, or France are advocating for violent rebellion. Democracy must be exhausted through all of its platforms before violence is a legitimate option. As of now, there is still a functioning judiciary, and a very slow but gradual shift in attitudes from the people whose support he needs. Try to encourage that divide more, become clever enough to frame the current events as opposing the interests of the people whose support they rely on. Create the image of a justified resistance in the eye of foreign nations. Be present at events as a defense in places where people are at risk. Slow the machine down, disrupt it with civil disobedience. If violence is done by dictators, then violence becomes a legitimate language in this conflict (and we’d all better pray to whatever sense of hope we have that that never happens); that is not currently the case and, more importantly, would quickly extinguish any opportunity to finding allies in the opposition and building a coalition of force that has an actual chance of resistance.
Read real history about what happens during actual violent revolutions. There is a reason the Hong Kong protestors never engaged in what you’re advocating.
I wish more people could understand the brutal reality of these situations without having to live them. It’s not just chanting and throwing a punch or three, and then going home. It’s going to be horrible and nothing will be the same afterwards; a lot of people we love are going to die, and the outcomes we want aren’t guaranteed, even if we win. If it’s a fight that has to happen, then it will, but nobody should be looking forward to it even grimly.
Yeah, I mean how many of those here constantly saying resist are willing to take a gun and kill another person here? Build a bomb and actually use it? Are they willing to support those who are willing to use violence? House them, hide them, protect them?
We’ve seen what the other side is willing to do on January 6th, they’ve shown they’re willing to resort to violence and condone it.
Will the left be willing to actually do this? Because that’s what resisting fascism means.
The fact that you’re advocating for violent insurrection without taking into account the mass casualty event that will follow reveals how delusional you are about this kind of resistance in the US.
Immediately after the first flashpoint, the already-militarized police force will begin a campaign of violence to suffocate any obvious resistance. Martial law will be declared to support them. Just having a cellphone makes everyone an easy target. We have no healthcare without a job, and likely workplaces will see retaliation if they maintain employment of anyone deemed an enemy of the state thereby preventing you from ever being able to see a doctor.
What you are advocating is what a high school student advocates for after watching the film adaptation of Les Miserables.
So what’s your solution to fascism? Trying to shame them by pointing out their hypocrisy? Appealing to their sense of empathy? “Slamming” them for their behavior in a tweet?
For something like you’re recommending to succeed, you need allies and justification. As of now, violence isn’t being meted out, so foreign allies would not see justification in these actions. As offended as they are, no one of significance in Canada, Greenland, or France are advocating for violent rebellion. Democracy must be exhausted through all of its platforms before violence is a legitimate option. As of now, there is still a functioning judiciary, and a very slow but gradual shift in attitudes from the people whose support he needs. Try to encourage that divide more, become clever enough to frame the current events as opposing the interests of the people whose support they rely on. Create the image of a justified resistance in the eye of foreign nations. Be present at events as a defense in places where people are at risk. Slow the machine down, disrupt it with civil disobedience. If violence is done by dictators, then violence becomes a legitimate language in this conflict (and we’d all better pray to whatever sense of hope we have that that never happens); that is not currently the case and, more importantly, would quickly extinguish any opportunity to finding allies in the opposition and building a coalition of force that has an actual chance of resistance.
Read real history about what happens during actual violent revolutions. There is a reason the Hong Kong protestors never engaged in what you’re advocating.
So violence later, after all peaceful methods fail like they will.
Violence as a last resort, as it has always only been appropriate for.
I wish more people could understand the brutal reality of these situations without having to live them. It’s not just chanting and throwing a punch or three, and then going home. It’s going to be horrible and nothing will be the same afterwards; a lot of people we love are going to die, and the outcomes we want aren’t guaranteed, even if we win. If it’s a fight that has to happen, then it will, but nobody should be looking forward to it even grimly.
This is why it’s important to provide a counter narrative to the romanticized version of revolution. The reality is nothing like the story.