Yeah I don’t get it either. Every election I voted in I’ve had to have id. It’s been like this for a long time and it hasn’t shifted so that we need proof of ethnicity or some other bs people here are suggesting will happen next.
What are these issues? Every other country in the world ids voters.
I’m not Trump fan by any means but it’s hard to argue against voter ID. Americans in general seem to live in 3rd world when it comes to IDs with your social security number shit etc.
We had a whole civil rights movement about it. Jim Crow. MLK Jr. The laws are specifically intended to apply selective enforcement. That is their entire purpose. Why do you think these laws are always proposed by Republicans?
@drmoose@prole The UK only just brought it in a few years ago, against the advice of the Elec Commission as we don’t really have any fraud and we don’t have universal ID cards so it’s complicated to know what you’d need to bring. Mostly it’s passports or driving licences which relies on people having the cash to drive or travel, and their name matching the voter roll. If someone is turned away for not having ID they might not come back.
@drmoose it was discussed in the 00s (in the UK!) but was massively polarising and got dropped. People didn’t like the idea of having to carry something that proved who they are.
@drmoose dunno, we have a strong tradition of petty bureaucratic jobsworths who take rule-following too far, and also a nasty history of over-policing protests.
In person voter fraud is so statistically inconsequential that it might as well not exist. The idea that this is meant to prevent voter fraud is preposterous. It’s just pretense.
All this does is create more hurdles for people who already have difficulty voting from decades of disenfranchisement. It’s the goal of these laws, and Republican politicians have literally admitted it.
How do you get an ID if you don’t have an address? They can’t win with policy, and high voter turnout always means the results skew left, so they focus on stopping people of certain demographics from voting altogether.
It’s not about voting fraud but your entire culture being so crippled by fear that you avoid basic societal structures that are accepted as a net positive literally everywhere else. Maybe it’s time to stand up for yourself?
It really depends on what the purpose of voter ID is.
If it’s to ensure that everyone that is entitled to vote votes once and only once, you’ll see some key properties. It’ll be free and easy to get. Applying for it is as simple as applying to vote (which itself will be easy to do), and it’ll be virtually automatic that you get it. In many cases, it’ll arrive unannounced as the Government already knows everything it needs to get you this card, and you won’t have to do anything but show up at the polls election day with the card they gave you.
If it’s to ensure that only ‘desirable’ voters can vote, it’ll have other key properties. Getting it will be as easy as the above if you’re the preferred class. But if you’re the undesirable class of voter, getting it will have more hassles than its worth. It’ll cost money. It’ll have onerous requirements. It’ll take you lots of time, and require transportation. It’ll be designed to discourage you from voting. Because that’s the goal. Onerous enough that you give up and let your betters rule you like God intended.
Can you guess what the United States’ goal with voter ID is? Here’s a hint. We have a long history of treating certain groups of people like crap, and despite 1865’s end of the Civil War, there are STILL people who would rather see Black people in chains and treated like animals.
I’m currently trying to get my newborn son a passport, as the offices that handle this - SSA, Post Office, etc - are rapidly being dismantled by DOGE. I have no idea how we’ll be able to maintain or renew our documentation in coming years, given that there’s simply not going to be anyone to stamp the forms and mail me renewed papers at this rate.
it hasn’t shifted so that we need proof of ethnicity or some other bs
It specifically has for transgender people. We’ve seen both state and national rules changes that no longer recognize change of gender identity on forms. So a person who shows up to vote with a form that shows “Man” when presenting as a Woman is prime target for disenfranchisement.
We’re also increasingly seeing Hispanic and Arab people targeted for arrest and imprisonment, purely on an individual not currently carrying ID (and - in many cases - despite this fact). It isn’t hard to imagine this persecution continuing into the next election cycle, with DHS agents grabbing people at polling stations.
Thank you for your insight. I hadn’t realized how obtaining an id could be an issue. We just use our driver’s licence (issued by the police) which most of us have already at hand. Wish you and the family all the best.
Yeah I don’t get it either. Every election I voted in I’ve had to have id. It’s been like this for a long time and it hasn’t shifted so that we need proof of ethnicity or some other bs people here are suggesting will happen next.
Are people really not aware of the issues with voter ID laws? Do we really need to go over this basic shit again?
What are these issues? Every other country in the world ids voters.
I’m not Trump fan by any means but it’s hard to argue against voter ID. Americans in general seem to live in 3rd world when it comes to IDs with your social security number shit etc.
We had a whole civil rights movement about it. Jim Crow. MLK Jr. The laws are specifically intended to apply selective enforcement. That is their entire purpose. Why do you think these laws are always proposed by Republicans?
I’m sorry but not implementing ID cards is literally the dumbest way to address this 🙄
And y’all say Americans are dumb. Clearly stupidity is universal.
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@drmoose @prole The UK only just brought it in a few years ago, against the advice of the Elec Commission as we don’t really have any fraud and we don’t have universal ID cards so it’s complicated to know what you’d need to bring. Mostly it’s passports or driving licences which relies on people having the cash to drive or travel, and their name matching the voter roll. If someone is turned away for not having ID they might not come back.
Maybe its time to join the 21st century and issue citizen ids?
No wonder identity theft and scams are so rampant in the US.
We have citizen IDs. If you really don’t understand the issue. Open a history book. I’ll even give you a starting point. Read about Jim Crow laws.
Nah that’s not a justification. Just fix your country instead of running away from your problems. Seriously americans are spineless as fuck.
@drmoose it was discussed in the 00s (in the UK!) but was massively polarising and got dropped. People didn’t like the idea of having to carry something that proved who they are.
That’s just crazy to me. How can society function when people are afraid to identify themselves to officials they should be trusting and relying on.
Sometimes those officials deny you rights, including your right to live.
It seems like ID is not the issue here then?
@drmoose dunno, we have a strong tradition of petty bureaucratic jobsworths who take rule-following too far, and also a nasty history of over-policing protests.
In person voter fraud is so statistically inconsequential that it might as well not exist. The idea that this is meant to prevent voter fraud is preposterous. It’s just pretense.
All this does is create more hurdles for people who already have difficulty voting from decades of disenfranchisement. It’s the goal of these laws, and Republican politicians have literally admitted it.
How do you get an ID if you don’t have an address? They can’t win with policy, and high voter turnout always means the results skew left, so they focus on stopping people of certain demographics from voting altogether.
It’s not about voting fraud but your entire culture being so crippled by fear that you avoid basic societal structures that are accepted as a net positive literally everywhere else. Maybe it’s time to stand up for yourself?
Yeah you’re right, I should have realized and done something about that sooner. Thank God you were here to tell me.
It really depends on what the purpose of voter ID is.
If it’s to ensure that everyone that is entitled to vote votes once and only once, you’ll see some key properties. It’ll be free and easy to get. Applying for it is as simple as applying to vote (which itself will be easy to do), and it’ll be virtually automatic that you get it. In many cases, it’ll arrive unannounced as the Government already knows everything it needs to get you this card, and you won’t have to do anything but show up at the polls election day with the card they gave you.
If it’s to ensure that only ‘desirable’ voters can vote, it’ll have other key properties. Getting it will be as easy as the above if you’re the preferred class. But if you’re the undesirable class of voter, getting it will have more hassles than its worth. It’ll cost money. It’ll have onerous requirements. It’ll take you lots of time, and require transportation. It’ll be designed to discourage you from voting. Because that’s the goal. Onerous enough that you give up and let your betters rule you like God intended.
Can you guess what the United States’ goal with voter ID is? Here’s a hint. We have a long history of treating certain groups of people like crap, and despite 1865’s end of the Civil War, there are STILL people who would rather see Black people in chains and treated like animals.
I’m currently trying to get my newborn son a passport, as the offices that handle this - SSA, Post Office, etc - are rapidly being dismantled by DOGE. I have no idea how we’ll be able to maintain or renew our documentation in coming years, given that there’s simply not going to be anyone to stamp the forms and mail me renewed papers at this rate.
It specifically has for transgender people. We’ve seen both state and national rules changes that no longer recognize change of gender identity on forms. So a person who shows up to vote with a form that shows “Man” when presenting as a Woman is prime target for disenfranchisement.
We’re also increasingly seeing Hispanic and Arab people targeted for arrest and imprisonment, purely on an individual not currently carrying ID (and - in many cases - despite this fact). It isn’t hard to imagine this persecution continuing into the next election cycle, with DHS agents grabbing people at polling stations.
Thank you for your insight. I hadn’t realized how obtaining an id could be an issue. We just use our driver’s licence (issued by the police) which most of us have already at hand. Wish you and the family all the best.