Kagi, the company behind a paid, private search engine1 of the same name, has announced it's bringing its Webkit-based Orion web browser to Linux. In a
Any word on Windows? Despite the discourse around Kagi using Yandex, they did advise me that they are still building thier own indexes that are planned to eventually replace thirds party ones.
I’m still not a huge fan of the overuse of AI, but I do think Kagi is on the right track in a lot of other areas.
edit: I’m in the Linux community… Ignore the first sentence 😅
You do not pay anything different for AI prompts. You should really actually try the product before you make up all these things about it.
But what you pay involves the calculated cost of using the AI, otherwise they’d be losing money if a lot of users were to make too many prompts. So it should be possible to have a lower price that didn’t give you any prompts.
Yes, they made it unrestricted which means they’re charging you considering you can use it a lot. That’s what I mean. Using LLMs APIs isn’t free so it has a cost embedded, which they certainly calculated, or else they’d run the risk of it being abused.
Maybe “overuse” isn’t the right word. “Over-investment” maybe.
I think the Universal Summarizer and Quick Answer are okay but the Assistant just doesn’t do it for me. No one is forcing me to use it or pay for it however and I don’t run the company, so it’s a moot point…
They’ve reiterated that AI is central to their mission, I just don’t find the LLM interfacing very compelling personally.
Yes, I know…I’m not saying I need to use it or that it’s forced on Kagi users. I’m saying that I personally don’t agree with the amount of investment and focus on the AI/LLM integrations. I believe the investment would be better spent building out the Kagi index as well as privacy & security functionality. Again, it’s a minor complaint and personal preference, not an attack on their business model, strategy or mission.
I still pay for the Ultimate subscription because I believe in them thoroughly. I just personally don’t prefer to use LLMs most of the time.
So, duckduckgo also uses Yandex, right? I know Bing as their premier, but all these search engines use more than one source. I haven’t been able to see where any of them provide their entire list of sources. DDG and Kagi both previously listed Yandex and have since quietly disappeared their mention from their informational pages
The reference used to live here, iirc. They updated the language to say “all major search results providers” rather than listing the actual names as they did previously.
Any word on Windows? Despite the discourse around Kagi using Yandex, they did advise me that they are still building thier own indexes that are planned to eventually replace thirds party ones.
I’m still not a huge fan of the overuse of AI, but I do think Kagi is on the right track in a lot of other areas.
edit: I’m in the Linux community… Ignore the first sentence 😅
What “overuse of AI” are you referring to?
Probably that engines are putting Ai in the forefront of searches lately
Kagi doesn’t do that. It doesn’t even show you an AI response unless you specifically request it.
I wish there was a cheaper plan that didn’t involve AI at all. Like, I don’t care to have X prompts every month. I’d like to pay just for the engine.
You do not pay anything different for AI prompts. You should really actually try the product before you make up all these things about it.
But what you pay involves the calculated cost of using the AI, otherwise they’d be losing money if a lot of users were to make too many prompts. So it should be possible to have a lower price that didn’t give you any prompts.
The other poster is right… The base plans don’t contain any amount of “prompts” and are very reasonable /affordable.
Yes, they made it unrestricted which means they’re charging you considering you can use it a lot. That’s what I mean. Using LLMs APIs isn’t free so it has a cost embedded, which they certainly calculated, or else they’d run the risk of it being abused.
Maybe “overuse” isn’t the right word. “Over-investment” maybe.
I think the Universal Summarizer and Quick Answer are okay but the Assistant just doesn’t do it for me. No one is forcing me to use it or pay for it however and I don’t run the company, so it’s a moot point…
They’ve reiterated that AI is central to their mission, I just don’t find the LLM interfacing very compelling personally.
It’s optional to use though. Just a feature that is up to you to use or not
Yes, I know…I’m not saying I need to use it or that it’s forced on Kagi users. I’m saying that I personally don’t agree with the amount of investment and focus on the AI/LLM integrations. I believe the investment would be better spent building out the Kagi index as well as privacy & security functionality. Again, it’s a minor complaint and personal preference, not an attack on their business model, strategy or mission.
I still pay for the Ultimate subscription because I believe in them thoroughly. I just personally don’t prefer to use LLMs most of the time.
So, duckduckgo also uses Yandex, right? I know Bing as their premier, but all these search engines use more than one source. I haven’t been able to see where any of them provide their entire list of sources. DDG and Kagi both previously listed Yandex and have since quietly disappeared their mention from their informational pages
The reference used to live here, iirc. They updated the language to say “all major search results providers” rather than listing the actual names as they did previously.