• slurpyslop@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    8 months ago

    that’s the thing though, they don’t need to “get help to” palestine, they just need to stop actively supporting israel in its genocide

    you think the appetite is going to be there for actually committing resources somewhere when they can’t even just do nothing?

    • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      8 months ago

      The problem is that diplomacy and foreign policy have weight and momentum, to even get to the do nothing stage you first have to kill said momentum to enough of a degree so as to seperate oneself. Its shit but its always been true, politics and diplomacy are rarely ever simple, even Rome had to play diplomacy with the Persians.

      • slurpyslop@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        rome famously neglected diplomacy, but in either case once you get rid of the mental gymnastics your argument boils down to “it’s too hard so we shouldn’t try”

        • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          8 months ago

          If thats what you take from it sure, but my point im trying to convey is that shit like this is slow to change. Itll take time and effort regardless but with Israel in particular there are decades of momentum behind backing them. As I said in another comment a lot of Boomers for example back Israel because there were a quite a few holocaust survivors kicking around and the concept of not backing Israel became a taboo.

          To do nothing on the issue requires breaking a taboo and while not impossible it will take time regardless. If anything id say its breaking faster than id expect.

          • slurpyslop@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            8 months ago

            and my point is that it’s not going to change unless people attempt to change it

            it’s literally the same argument that gets wheeled out any time there’s pressure for social change, then when things finally change we all look back in 10 years and ask ourselves how the hell we ever tolerated the old way of doing things

            if you want to vote biden because you think the short term benefits of avoiding trump for another 4 years outweigh the long term drawbacks of further entrenching the same status quo that led to palestine, fine

            just don’t pretend that you never had any choice in the matter