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Summary
Ontario Premier Doug Ford warned that Canada could cut electricity exports to the U.S. in retaliation for Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Canadian goods.
The U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on most Canadian imports, citing border security concerns. Ford emphasized that U.S. states like New York and Michigan rely on Canadian energy and should “feel the pain.”
Canadian officials also announced $155 billion in counter-tariffs.
If enacted, energy restrictions would likely raise prices in the U.S., escalating trade tensions between the two countries.
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They need to do this and make it absolutely clear that it is 100% Trump’s fault. They cannot be allowed to make the claim that canada did it unprovoked or for the lulz.
Trudeau got in front of the cameras today and spelled this out. Our government chose to take this action, and Canada is having an entirely reasonable response. Once the tarrifs end, we can go back to where we were, but in the meantime, Americans need to learn how much they rely on Canadian trade and need to understand that this is entirely our government’s fault.
Do it Canada. The dumber half of our country needs to learn the hard way. And, unfortunately, the smarter half has to go along for the ride.
Exactly. The entire reason Trump is President again is because we did not take the serious extreme and required actions after the 2020 elections to ensure that him, his supporters, and enablers could never participate in American society again.
The same mistake we made after the civil war we decided that we would be generous and go easy on those who betrayed us. We are still paying for that mistake we are still paying for the mistake with Trump. The only thing fascist understand is violence in the only way fascism ends is through violence.
As an American, fucking do it, and make sure DC and Red states feel the most pain. And don’t have some qwar ass back door conversation/deal to end the tariffs. Refuse to end them until he goes on live television and reads the following
“To all my fellow Americans, the best Americans from the best America, in hind sight, as it concerns tariffs with our closest geographical allies, I was wrong. The decision I made was stupid, and it was made by an idiot, me. Unfortunately I don’t have the intellectual or business aptitude to actually determine what a good decision would be, as opposed to a bad decision. In fact, I am as stupid as the idiots who voted for me. This was the idea that I thought I would be fantastic and I was completely wrong and it’s the only idea I had. I apologize to Canada and Mexico, both their leaders and citizens”
It would crush him to make a sincere public apology and backtrack. And he’ll still get lynched before the end of year. Because he fucking deserves it.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Glad that Canadians are standing up for themselves.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump threatened military action in return, should Canada go forward with it. I mean, it sounds crazy to write it, but is it really too crazy for Trump?
On the slim bright side maybe just maybe this might make the US think of renewable energy, it’s why China invests so much into it to prevent relying on countries for oil.
Ehh who am I kidding, that’s not going to happen at all.
More likely they’ll reopen coal plants
The children, they yearn for the mines
Drill baby drill!
Cancer baby cancer!!
Fracking was our answer to energy independence.
Do it unilaterally without discussing with US.
Or even better: Discuss it with Ukraine, US gets no say in the deal. And if drumpf disagrees, the reply will be “you don’t want electricity.”
I actually had a good laugh at this… Then I had to login to my second account to up vote this twice.
… so that people probably die? Really?
Can’t wait to see this happening. It’s a language A bully like Trump might understand. might.
Unless HIS power goes out, I’m not sure he’ll care. But I hope the people affected know where to lodge their complaints…
(Copy-pasting from another thread)
I like Cory Doctorow’s plan.
The reason Canada got tariff-free access to sell to the US in the first place? Canada agreed to enforce penalties for tampering with digital locks, following the premise of the Digital Milennium Copyright Act.
If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.
Doctorow advocating for this plan:
- On Democracy Now
- On his blog
- On his podcast
- In the Ursula Franklin lecture at the University of Toronto’s Innis College (I especially enjoyed this one, but it is the longest)
Thanks for sharing this info mate…It’s a eye opener…Just fuck the technocrats.
Why is the fairness meter of the article “unfair left leaning”, when it just reports on something someone said?
I don’t see any opinion piece there, but pretty much just direct quoting
How can this be even left or right leaning? Oo
In the US, reporting on simple facts makes you “radical left” while obvious propaganda makes you “right leaning”.
Why is the fairness meter of the article “unfair left leaning”
It isn’t; that article is rated neutral/fair. You need to vote on the fairness rating yourself first, then it’ll show you the average score
Ah, ok!
Thanks!
Still a weird thing to show for an unvoted stateYeah, I don’t know why it just doesn’t show the needle at all until you vote
We Americans have a serious problem labeling anything we disagree with as “those other guys”. I might even say it’s our main problem. We wouldn’t be where we’re at today without the divisiveness and team mentality.
Sadly it’s not just Americans…
Seeing the same we-they pattern here in Austrian right wing communities/parties
Sadly it’s not just Americans…
But they’re the best at it. Tremendous at it. Everyone says it. People say it. You know it
Sometimes I go look at r/conservative just to take temperature, and on returning to political communities on lemmy I find the same ad hominem insults and dehumanizing efforts as over there, certainly less of it and less virulent, but just as spiteful and aggressive.
I’m all for being upset when it’s appropriate, but I am afraid that political affiliations are no guarantee of sanity or reasoning.
I’m just fed up with the constant sensational shock fake news (usually of right wing parties), which only aim for fear, anger and hatred
Yeah, we all have problems and we need to work on that. That’s pretty much life - especially social life and much more (geo-) political life.
But I can’t stand the rhetoric anymore. From highschool bullies playbook to imitating Hitler’s rhetoric. I’m just too fed up with it.
I want fact based politics and crowd sourced solutions - from the people that are actually affected.
And not some idiot calling a whole group of people degenerates and worth shit.In the late 90s with the “real” Internet still alive and all of the people starting to face global problems, I was really optimistic, that this would bring us all together.
To work on a global solution.
But nah, we need to have populistic simple “solutions” for complex problems, where seemingly every time it’s just the fault of some minority group or some foreigners.This now just isn’t the world I wanted to live in and I naively hoped for so much better and more…
Edit: to make extend on that:
Society doesn’t need a rigid framework of rules to live in. So fuck social control - doesn’t matter if it comes from religion or from state.
The laws we live in should reflect the society we currently are. And not try to pressure society into some form of ideological picture.
And with that, fuck ideology as well.Society is always changing and our rules to live by need to be as flexible as that.
But somehow people still long for a wannabe strongman leader, who only cares for himself.We could just build our own society, with basic democracy, no real leaders, but maybe just elected representatives.
We don’t need anyone to tell us, how we should behave.
We hopefully are grown up enough to see the ethical correct way.But people seem to prefer to be childs and just hand over responsibility…
You’re supposed to click where you think it should go. It’s a voting mechanism.
Yeah, I thought it’s showing me the current voting already.
In another comment someone explained to me, that this is just the default position before the vote - which I find pretty intuitive.
But maybe that’s just me…
Because many people in the US (and elsewhere, sadly) are not media-literate enough to understand the difference between the veracity of an article and their opinion about it.
It’s supposed to be for the publication as a whole, not the specific article. No idea what metric they’re using, though.
Edit: Never mind, was talking about something else.
Nah, it’s article by article.
Hold us accountable and submit your rating of this article on the meter.
Oh, so they crowd-sourced it and it’s being brigaded by Trump morons. Got it.
Ah, I thought they were talking about the bot that is or was on here that rated sources.
Good for them, maybe our economy will collapse too, and an angry mob will storm the white house and kick Trump out. He can emergency evacuate to Russia, and we can find an administration that isn’t insane.
Heyy… a guy can dream.
I’d prefer we do more than kick Trump out. Like…guillotine them all.
Yup.
It isn’t just Trump that has to go. It’s every traitorous Republican in Congress who have abdicated their responsibility to the Constitution and to every single U.S. citizen.
Broadcast it live on PBS!
This was just off by 50 years.
sort of the best case scenario
Im still flabbergasted that so many people are just shrugging at what Trump is doing and saying, well, if only Kamala or the DNC did this or that instead. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.
In general, the more a person brags about something, the less true it is — and Americans love to brag about how tough and free they are…
Leftists aren’t capable of self reflection.
Imagine thinking Harris is a leftist
I think you had a reading comprehension fail.
I guess you proved your own point.
Oh, how disappointing, I thought leftists crossed a broad spectrum of thinking and many were annoyingly, mutually, critical.
Which semi-fictional political segment generalization is self-reflexive then?
Best case Ontario.
We won’t do shit until we are literally starving. Look right here at Lemmy, non-stop memes and stories about how what horrible economic shape we’re in. So how is everyone fat?! Meanwhile, I go to work and look at what’s for sale, at what prices, and think, “Jesus, people pay for this?!”
Even the Great Depression didn’t have us storming the White House. Think on that.
tl;dr: Americans aren’t near broke enough to band together.
You say that but the other team went far into your capitol and they looked well nourished enough.
Very true.
But we’re speedrunning the fall of America.
Give it another year or two. You’ll start seeing widespread violence. We can only cross our fingers that it gets directed properly toward our traitorous government.
Yeah, thats why I said a total system collapses. And that’s not out of the question.
Cept that is what the rich want. Shit to fall apart. Cuz then they get to buy shit up for cheap and consolidate even more wealth.
The rich aren’t going to be buying anything if the dollar is literally worthless. Hyperinflation is no joke.
Also, they won’t be buying anything if they become festive decorations on fences and lampposts across the country.
The Rich™ want to buy the dip and buy up property (see project 2025). They need the economy to break but not to completely collapse. And then it will “bounce back” enough that they can transfer their USD to other currencies.
Whether trump’s fucking stupidity will accomplish that seems REAL questionable.
That said: Massive power outages (also, this is just the equivalent of a state governor with a crackhead brother saying it to appear strong to Canada’s conservatives) might be what this country needs to get out en masse in places other than the blue states.
With a dead crackhead brother you mean
Considering he won an undisputed election and at least a quarter of his base are gun nuts, plus police love to use excessive force & violence, that scenario would probably play out poorly for pretty much everyone. I would say try to show conservatives how terrible he really is, but that’s not going to happen in Lemmy. I’m not even conservative, I’m anti-authoritarian centrist but even I find this place extremely hostile to conversation with anyone who doesn’t embrace the group-think.
Nobody is going to support trump if the whole system collapses. We’ve seen it play out over and over across history.
Well, yeah. But if people try to forcibly remove him before that happens probably there will a lot of unnecessary beatings, incarceration and death. Honestly even leftists have been saying this system needs torn down for decades. So if he tears it down, build back better.
Feel free to get on with that angry mobbing.
As an American, I agree 100%. Canada needs to kick our ass. We deserve it.
I agree with the sentiment but those states are all pretty blue. Trump might just let it happen to widen the divide and somehow claim that it’s punishment for not bending the knee.
Im gonna tell you right now, as a Canadian, we do not care what colour your states are.
But also - we invite secession!
Secession is a nice idea, but merging into Canada is a nonstarter.
Canada is 40 million people, New York is 20 million. That kind of influx would be insane to manage. And that’s just one state…
I can only think of east/west Germany as the closes parallel and they are still merging the halves.
Got it. The Americans who have been struggling against this shit storm are still allowed to communicate.
Yeah well the country you guys are threatening to invade is allowed to have a fucking opinion on it.
I support that. I invite you to hate on the US government and the assholes that put it in power. But you do yourself and many like me a disservice by acting like all US citizens want this to happen.
We are not acting like all US citizens wanted this to happen, but we understand that this is happening and what you wanted at this point is not relevant. If you don’t want to be lumped into the rest of your belligerent nation, do something.
You’re right. Apologies. Its been a shitty decade.
You do yourselves a disservice by allowing this to happen.
You’re right. Sorry.
those states are all pretty blue.
Minnesota is. Michigan tends to be (especially now that our districts are drawn independently), but we voted for Trump as a state. And New York is mostly red except for NYC.
I almost want to see our power bills skyrocket in Michigan. But at the same time I know full well the dipshits who voted red (including my own family) will blame everyone else before they blame the people who might end abortion. So it won’t matter. They won’t learn. Instead we’ll all suffer because of their idiocy and they’ll continue to think that we’re winning.
(In fact they’ll be thrilled because it will mean increased oil and natural gas production to close the gap in demand.)
Given that Canadians don’t typically vote in American elections, I don’t see how that has anything to do with us or should affect our decision making.
The USA is tariffing us, not just the red states.
Yeah, the us is bad at thinking everyone is inside their crazy system. It does not matter to us if you state “don’t blame me I voted for Kodos”, at the end of the day you are all citizens of a belligerent nation. Your government is representing you all on the world stage, if you don’t like it do something about it.
That’s some weird logic. Trump enacts tariffs on Canada,who retaliates in kind, so you’re worried about blue votes. Trump may claim that after the fact, but he’s definitely not playing chess that many moves ahead.
The dude can barely plan a double jump with hopscotch, much less checkers.
That Ozempic chewing orange twat has never physically jumped in his life, let’s be honest.
Trump enacts tariffs on Canada.
Exactly. Trump. Not the states that voted against him. If you want to retaliate, retaliate against Trump. Make him, and the people that voted for him feel the pain.
Look at the things he’s doing domestically. There’s nothing he and his MAGA dipshits love more than sticking it to the blue states. So, Canada doing something that predominantly hurts blue states isn’t going to hurt Trump at all. Quite the contrary, it’s going to give him huge hard-on.
So, if your goal is to help Trump, well then carry on.
Like it or not, Trump’s actions are America’s actions now and we’ll fight back in any way we can.
Also Canadians are pretty pissed at Americans in general right now
Cutting off power in blue states will mean that the energy has to come from somewhere else, which means higher demand, and higher costs across multiple states, also red ones.
And let’s not pretend those “blue states” don’t have very large numbers of maga idiots as well
Washington State, here. Can confirm. Seattle and Bellingham carry the state blue. Them yokels everywhere else vote red.
I’ve literally seen Dixie flags here in Washington. Like, how fucking dumb do you need to be?
Dixie flags are usually a dog whistle for racism
What is it you actually think I intended? Are your glasses foggy?
Vermont in particular is heavily dependent on imported energy.
Maybe you guys should just kick out the traitors that very obviously work for a foreign government.
On the other hand, our formerly quasi-municipal energy company is now owned by a Canadian conglomerate. I’d not mind unwinding that.
Like it or not, we are all connected across North America.
Don’t get too excited. Ford loves to talk tough but he’s a fucking pussy.
We’ll see what actually happens. No one here is holding their breath.
Hey pussies can take a pounding.
R.I.P. Betty White
So he’s a big ballsack?
LCBO is actively removing American products from shelves.
I do think there’s more technical problems related to decoupling a massive load from the grid, but Ford does seem to be following through with at least some of the promised retaliations. Time will tell if he keeps it up.
One of Canada’s worst politicians says he’ll do something useful for once.
Incredible watching the downfall of American hegemony in real-time.
