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      any sort of power, they have it ALL now, because not enough Democrats figured it was important enough to simply cast a vote in Novembers election. more arab and latino americans voted for donald trump than have ever voted for any republican candidate before in american history. leftists told anyone that would listen they weren’t going to vote for “genocide joe” while marching on every major american city chanting “from the river to the sea”, while flooding social media with anti israel and anti democratic party messaging, the result of which was democratic youth vote was the lowest it’s ever been in american history, while republican youth vote was the highest it’s ever been. with everything on the line democratic youth couldn’t find it within themselves to defend the republic, by doing the lowest effort simplest action by casting a ballot in a safe, free, and fair election. donald trump won his second term as president by ~2.3% of the vote.

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        Interestingly the gEnOcIdE posts are way fewer nowadays.

        Don’t get me wrong, I think bibi is a war criminal, but there were absolutely very very few debates or discussions, almost only astroturfing hatespeek IMO, basically shut up or you are a “genocider”, which doesn’t advance anything sane, again IMO.

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          Yes, because you were all voting for politicians who were complicit in that genocide. Then the election happened, and the quasi-ceasefire (really, relocation of hostilities to the West Bank, until they almost inevitably resume in Gaza again) happened. And you’re all still clinging to the “it was a spoiler designed to cost Dems the election” and yet you’re still completely failing to ask the absolutely fundamental question of why the Democrat politicians would rather give up an election than give up being complicit in genocide.

          The sheer fact that you write “genocide” in the “I’m an idiot” up-and-down caps, by the way. It meets the legal definition of genocide. It means the intent of laws authored against genocide. It meets the structural characteristics of past genocides. You have to be a truly sick person to trivialize it like that. It’s really striking how much trivializing the genocide like that goes hand-in-hand with blaming its critics for the Democrat’s loss - it’s always the same people doing both. Are we not living in the same planet, where genocide is literally the worst crime imaginable, besides causing the extinction of the entire human race or all life of Earth? Does a politician’s complicity in genocide not completely discredit everything they say or do as a facade to gain power and wealth? Does it not reveal an absolute deception that’s fundamental to our entire social system? Be honest, have you even thought about those questions?

          You guys really want to shift the agenda to something else, but I’m going to describe this exactly as it is. This system is fucked and completely captive, Ds and Rs both. Whoever you think is to blame - at the end of the day, it’s not even relevant, because we need complete systemic change. The fact that both parties were near-unanimously complicit in a genocide and the genocidal incitement mythology around it should have been an absolute clarion call to the public for absolute rejection of the people in power. But instead you’re all still dicking around playing partisan politics, downplaying that genocide, and trying to relocate the blame for the crumbling society to the general public. The problem here is that we live in a deeply fascist, totalitarian system, at the heart of a global military empire. The mass murder our politicians - across the aisle - commit abroad is a reflection of the inherent immorality and exploitation inherent in this system. Now they’ve put the “bad cops” back in power after the “good cops” absolutely threw the election, and guess what, it’s the “we’re tightening our belts, abolishing a bunch of civil rights, and making this even more of a police state” routine again. Not just confined to the last…two weeks under Trump’s rule, but oh-so-coincidentally, the same totalitarian police state shit that was already completely rearing its head under George W. Bush and Obama. There was not some sudden shift to fascism in the last two weeks. We’ve been under it. They’ve been hammering it in bit by bit our entire lives. This is an objective truth - between the NSA mass surveillance, the PATRIOT Act, FISA surveillance, CIA black sites, targeted assassinations of U.S. citizens, everything. None of this is new. So revise your explanation of this society, because it’s not correct.

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            I’m not american.

            And if I have to spell it out for you, the gEnOcIdErs were astroturfers screaming and blocking any sane discussion IMO.

            I wrote bibi is a war criminal, if that is not enough for you then what can I say.

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        It’s interesting that I see this kind of sentiment, shifting the blame onto everyone who’s anti-genocide, mostly from people who were also repeatedly defending if not downplaying Israel’s genocide. I wonder how your removed comments in the modlogs look.

        There were many issues with how the Democratic Party ran their campaign.

        Democrats’ Working-Class Failures, Analysis Finds, Are ‘Why Trump Beat Harris’

        2024 Post-Election Report: A retrospective and longitudinal data analysis on why Trump beat Harris

        The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian. While there’s been 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated, on top of Netanyahu explicitly stating “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”

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        I just want to clarify that Arab and Latino Americans voting for Trump is marginal and would be insignificant if white voters weren’t in the bag for fascism already.

        White women are the only marginalized group that fuck with Republicans in numbers.

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            They are.

            Marginalized groups can be more or less marginalized than others. That does not make them powerful relative to the rich-ass white men that run the world through financial influence alone.

            Ya’ll motherfuckers act like just cause women can vote now, sexism is “solved.”

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              Whatever dude. People having to pretend like they give a fuck what Karen has to say is half the reason we are in this mess.

              They are powerful relative to “rich white ass-men” because they hold their cocks. Wake up.

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                It’s all about the nuances… baby boomers as a cohort are responsible for many of today’s problems and yet individual boomers are not. The elderly get roped into the defence of boomers even though there’s plenty of older people than them that actually helped setup the prosperity that boomers ruined.

                Karens are frustrating and their voices are loud, but to even compare them to predator class humans like billionaires or rapists is waay out of touch.

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        I voted for Harris in nov. But you are blaming the people with the least amount of power.

        Democrats could have… you know… appealed to their voters instead of fund and arm a genocide, fund the police more than has ever been done, and ran on racist border fascism. They didn’t appeal to their voters and their voters didn’t show. Harris, Biden and all the people advising them should be the ones we direct our anger at not the voters who didn’t vote for something they weren’t inspired by.

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          Yeah agreed on all of that and yet the vote was still the easiest fucking choice of our lifetimes

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            Agreed. If voting was really easy or mandatory Harris would have won. But republicans and the courts make it hard so that there are tons of barriers for people to cast non fascist votes.

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              I filled out 2 forms and mailed them to my election office during the 2 months preceding the election. How much easier can we make it?

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                Much easier. Automatic registration, mail in ballots, etc etc. More progressive states are much better at this.

                But Republicans purged voter rolls, made sure lines were extremely long by under staffing, made it illegal to hand out food and water in lines, making it illegal for felons to vote when felons are intentionally mostly poor and minorities, etc etc etc.

                your experiences are not universal. The more marginalized a person is the more likely it will be hard for them to vote.

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                Restrictions on voting were put in place in many places around the country

                In the wake of former President Donald Trump’s lies about a stolen election in 2020, many state legislatures implemented new laws restricting voter accessibility in key parts of the voting process.

                Passed in more than half of U.S. states, the laws are often part of sweeping bills that targeted multiple parts of the process, including absentee voting, early voting, and Election Day voting. They mostly come from Republican-led legislatures.

                https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/07/28/mail-in-absentee-ballot-voter-id-purges-drop-box-maps/74527270007/

                How much easier can we make it?

                Much. Automated voter registration, national holiday to give everyone a time outside of work to vote, national mail-in voting, penalty fee for those who didn’t vote (like Australia, something small like $5), change from FPTP to a STAR or Ranked or Approval Voting system, better information sent to each voter about the running candidates, ect

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          Fuck the genocide. We have a real crisis at home now because people put another country ahead of ours.

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            Again, I agree as I voted for Harris. But the real villains are the people with actual power who made consequential decisions that fucked us all.

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              I agree with you on that. They rolled right over before it was even bedtime on election night.

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              I think they are saying that they would begrudgingly vote for a candidate that may not fit their views or morals entirely in consideration of a historically complex and volatile situation going on in a different country that would continue regardless of the election here, in order to prevent a worse situation from forming there, and prevent a fascist regime from taking hold in their own country.

              On a related note, who did you vote for?

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          It’s funny because this is just as bad if it’s trolling or not, it’s so immensely bad either way. It’s mentally an edgy 12-year-old either way, so you succeeded in nothing other than showing everyone what a childish and pathetic dirtbag you are no matter if troll or not.

          And that makes it so funny, you basically go out into a crowd and put a sign up saying “hey, I’m a miserable bag of meat that is mentally a child and so starved of attention because of how shitty I am that I post really pathetic comments online”.

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    Nervous laughing … as the police keep pounding at my door

    Yeah, it’s going to be hilarious to be fighting in WWIII while everyone tries to convince themselves that it isn’t WWIII