The fact that you place no blame on Netanyahu and the IDF tells me you aren’t serious. It’s the same “why didn’t the Democrats stop this awful thing someone else is doing” Russian propaganda line we’ve heard for years now. Enough. What happened in Gaza is a war crime committed by Israel’s far right government.
With full and unconditional support from the Biden administration. Who sent them the weapons? Who moved aircraft carriers to defend Israel? Who vetoed ceasefire four times at the UN? Who kept saying that their support of Israel is iron clad?
The only country that actively tried to stop the genocide, i.e. Yemen, ended up being bombed by Biden.
Netanyahu won’t be able to fire a shot without US support.
I’m not sure if you are willfully ignorant or lying.
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“Russian propaganda” lol. So those billions of dollars in arms were just Russian propaganda? Those aircraft carriers were just Russian propaganda? Those vetos were Russian propaganda.
Fucking genocide deniers like you are monsters.
This post has gotten out of hand. I have seen everything from genocide apologia to genocide celebration. In the heat of it all, the ban hammer might have been wielded unevenly. If you were banned and believe your ban was unjustified please message me and you will be unbanned.
Not just Bidens, but the US Government in general as they, for whatever reason, really love Israel.
that reason is colonialism. the thought is that Israel helps us control the oil and intelligence in West Asia. the obvious problem: they don’t, actually, because our support of them makes dealing with oil producing countries harder, not easier, and the intelligence they provide us is incredibly faulty on account of being a fascist dictatorship. so that explains the support they get from liberal rubes, but what about the support they get from hardline conservatives? well hardline conservatives like fascism as a system of government so they like israel. that’s basically it. oh sure, some of them genuinely think there needs to be a homeland for the jews (nevermind most of our ancestral homelands are in western Ukraine, but these jackasses don’t know enough about us to know Ukraine has been consistently a better ally of the jewish people than israel). and some think all jews must return to israel in order for the events of revelations to unfold (never mind that was John the revealer writing about exactly what he was seeing in the year 90 happen to and against the jews and early christians, and the weird language was so he could get around roman censors). for the most part, it’s all as simple as “fascists like dealing with fascists because they understand eachother”
How is Israel a dictatorship? They have a multiparty democracy that regularly changes who is in control.
They are are a parliamentary democratic state that has a system of apartheid which is not at odds with liberal democracy as other liberal democracies have had apartheid states eg the USA until 1964-ish.
Can’t really have a democracy and an Apartheid. None of the Palestinians under Israeli occupation have any voice. Any opposition by Arab Israelis (Palestinians who survived the Nakba) are violently cracked down on
You can have a flawed or failing democracy and have one. Those that can vote still have a choice which is why it is not an autocracy like China or Saudi Arabia currently are.
It’s an Ethnocracy.
Saudi Arabia is a Monarchy. China is a Republic.
Yes and both are authoritarian. KSA is a monarchy whose legitimacy comes through Allah. China is an authoritarian republic. Republics derive their legitimacy from the masses rather than from a god or a familial line. Republics aren’t inherently democratic.
If you are going to reply that China isn’t authoritarian pleade explain why the people cannot choose to shift the state from Maoism should they want to.
China is mostly authoritarian, only Democratic on local levels and people have limited influence on policy despite the crackdowns and censorship.
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/political-participation-china-whats-allowed-under-xi
Still a far cry from the human rights abuses of the Absolute Monarchy of Saudi Arabia and certainly the Apartheid State of Israel, which has always been a fascist nation.
Lol, China is more democratic then Israel: at least everyone gets to vote in China.
part of the purpose of this war is for benjamin netenyahu to have the pretenses he needs to do what he’s wanted since 2021: to subvert the will of his people and establish himself as dictator. until peace terms are reached, he will retain special wartime military powers, and if you think he’s going to restore power you haven’t been paying attention to who he is or how israel operates. mark my words, october 7th is when all pretenses of the israeli democracy you’re describing eroded entirely.
Israels genocide has overwhelming domestic support. He’s not subverting the will of the people, he’s following it.
yes. he has support for war and genocide but not his general rule. the war is a pretense for him to cease power. then longer the mass killings go and the less accountability in the upper echelons of other governments, the less likely he is to face consequences for a coup to avoid any accountability for his own corruption. the israeli people remind me a lot of russians and us citizens in this regard, turning to their big corrupt daddy to save them from the problems manufactured by their big corrupt daddy because their view of the world is too narrow to see the bigger picture that once an ethnic cleansing reaches its end, it just doesn’t. there’s always some next group to cleanse. today it’s Uyghurs, Rohingens, Ukrainians, Palestinians, Masalit, and Congolese. Tomorrow it’s Latinos, Native Americans, Georgians, trans kids, and African Americans. The day after that it’s Jews, Koreans, women who talk, subcontinental Indians, and men who seem a little too in touch with their emotions.
It’s disgusting that you’d equivocate long since discredited atrocity propaganda like the “Uyghur genocide” narrative, which even the western media abandoned years ago, has failed to produce any documentary evidence, or even a single confirmed death, in over a decade, and for which the only primary sources are themselves rabid supporters of Israels genocide, with the undeniable mass carnage we’ve had directly live streamed to us, while it’s perpetrators have openly stated their intentions.
And while Ukrainians are the victims of a brutal war of aggression, it is no more a genocide than the invasion of Iraq.
This is why Westerners are always so docile about allowing their governments to commit unspeakable acts: because their first instinct when there own governments do it is to desperately try to find any way to justify saying “well everyone else is doing it too”
Don’t take this badly, but that’s tribalism in general, which is not at all specific to “Westerners”.
I don’t disagree with the rest of what you said, but your point about “Westerners” is really just you showing your prejudices, is a pretty good indication that you too are tribalist, just aligned with a different “tribe” and weakens your argument because it makes it seem like it’s just the defense of a different side (the same thing you accuse “Westerners” of doing) instead of being a side-agnosting principled take and critique of a certain style of Propaganda common in the Western Mainstream Media (especially American).
Yeah you’re going to need really stellar sources to back up a claim that is this far from the common position which is that he needs to keep the war going to avoid sentencing in the charges he was found guilty of just before the war started.
“Doing” vs “not preventing another country from doing” seems to be subtly different.
Tuvalu, for instance, did nothing to prevent the invasion of Ukraine. Damn them.
Biden wasn’t a passive observer. He supplied the weapons and the political cover at the UN including vetoing ceasefire four times.
How many recent US presidents have threatened to stop arms deliveries to Israel? Trump has infact ramped back up where Biden reduced flows of weapons. Trump has proposed ethnic cleansing in Gaza yesterday.
I see BlueAnon have been reduced to making up their own reality to cope with the election loss
Reagan did and he stopped the 1982 invasion of Lebanon calling it a Holocaust. https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html
When Biden was an enthusiastic supporter of the invasion. https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
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“But what about Trump!”
Wouldn’t be possible without Biden destroying Gaza.
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Yeah, and Biden did the former. He didn’t passively sit by. He provided tens of billions in arms, he deployed the US military to defend Israel and to attack its enemies, he shared Intel, he repeated and magnified Israeli propaganda, he blocked diplomatic attempts to punish Israel and he went after countries that tried to sanction Israel. And he did all of this while being able to end the genocide with a phone call.
And now you have Trump who wants to force Gaza residents to move to Egypt and similar so Israel can have the land
I’m glad trump has this new solution that instead of genocide falls under the definition of checks notes genocide
Trump didn’t create the idea. Israel leadership do not hide that they want the whole land and want paledtinian to go to Egypt. Do you really think that biden didn’t know about the plan? He is the guy who said if there was no Israel we had to create an Israel.
Wouldn’t be possible for Trump to even suggest that if Biden didn’t flatten Gaza.
Netanyahu dod most of that work actually. And now Trump is taking the chains off of netanyahu.
You aided a genocide 🫡
I must now assume you are a nameless Democrat or Biden himself.
There was never any chain on natanyaho
…you understand Biden also wanted that, right?
Source on that?
October 8 2023 until January 2025
That’s a date; not a source. Still waiting.
https://truthout.org/articles/us-has-sent-israel-over-600-weapons-shipments-since-october/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3e9q4nylwjo
followed by
https://www.propublica.org/article/biden-blinken-state-department-israel-gaza-human-rights-horrors
The Biden Administration has been in full support of Israels actions. Any statements to the contrary remained statements and any “actions” taken against Israel, such as not sending 2.000 pound bombs, but everything below that, the infamous “aid”-pier that was ultimately used as a beachhead for an Israeli murder incursion disguised as humanitarian aid trucks, or the “ultimatum” without any consequences prior to the elections were solely smokescreens.
Everything the Biden Administration said was merely to create an appearance of discontent. However the actions of the Biden Administration are those of full support for the genocide against the Palestinians and the violent expansion of a “greater” Israel.
They intentionally forget that Blinken suggested that to Egypt and Jordan but was turned down.
Source please
From what I can find Blinken did oppose the relocation
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-update/us-opposes-relocating-palestinians-egypt-blinken-says
It’s no surprise that Trump has and will continue to embolden Israel more.
Still, the fact that Trump pressured Israel to start the ceasefire in Gaza is incredibly frustrating because the Biden admin could have done the same thing for over an entire year and chose not too. At the expense of both the lives of Palestinians and the Democrats chance of reelection
People have such little compassion for forging lives in America. Even the “liberals” are still chastising millions of people for choosing to not support any genicidal regime, and not blaming a literal handful of people that knew supporting Israel’s genicide would cost them votes. There was no and is no justification for the Democratic party to be pro Isreal. Zionest weren’t going to vote blue any ways. So why take a stance that only appeals to only them!? If they really believed Trump was some existential threat to democracy and freedom, (I do believe this and voted blue. Only to watch them throw away millions of votes for no reason!) why didn’t they do everything in their power to get every single vote possible? They know that from polling and form left leaning organization that supporting Isreal was a net negative on their chances of winning but told their base to eat rocks or have Trump for president. Whelp. Here we are. This mindset goes for universal health care, free college and college debt forgiveness, wage increase, income inequality, and so much more! But the democrats preferred status quo over actual winning. Dem leadership doesn’t care who wins a election because they still get to go home to their ivory towers regardless.
The good thing about Trump winning is the establishment Ds have well and truly fucked themselves so that they won’t hold the presidency again. They constantly hold the threat of Rs to our throat, well now the worst has come to pass so their threats mean nothing now. It’s either listen to the people and change or never have power again.
Trump: “flatten Gaza”
Putin plants: “welp the worst is here so nbd”
Thank you.
You had two choices and you chose to support trump. This is a fact. Game theory proves this. You have exactly the same culpability as a trump voter.
And you support genocide
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You would have supported the annihilation of the Warsaw ghetto, Nazi scum
You american had 3 choices you picked the two who supported genocide
I voted for the Jewish lady that promised to do something about it. I never voted Republican, I used to vote Democratic. I voted for Biden in 2020 and ended up being complicit in his genocide.
Why do you refuse to understand this simple truth? We were very clear from 2023 that we won’t vote for genocide and the Democratic Party had a year to do something anything about it. What they did was lie, send weapons and veto ceasefire four times at the UN.
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Your reading skills are as good as your political skills.
One: I voted blue!
Two: looking at the voting data it’s obvious that having a working class focused agenda and a pro Palestinian platform would have won the democrats the election. If I know this, the dems leadership 100% knows as well.
Voting is inherently transactional! If you want demographics vote for you have to take up their concerns. The Democratic party said nope to every demand from key demographics of their base and know you want to talk about regrets!? Grow up.
At this point, American liberals have become more sadistic and violent than Trump
They require the same fealty and unconditional support to their dear leader as conservatives. Calling out Biden on his crimes has them defending his crimes and dehumanizing the victims. This is monarchists level of subservience and worship.
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I’m not the one gleefully calling for genocide out of pure sadism
Flattening Gaza is one of Biden’s accomplishments
Heil Maga. If you have to have to load, or unload, blame the Democrats. You’ll love it.
Genocide denier
People who think like you are why Harris lost in one of the worst landslides in recent history. Thanks for that, neoliberal
Absolutely not a landslide. She lost the popular vote by 1.5%
Although this is one of the few times in recent history a Republican became president while actually winning the popular vote.
Don’t forget: 3% of that was vote nullification.
A recent article suggests Trump actually lost when you include rejected ballots. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
“In other words, vote suppression cost Kamala Harris no less than 3,565,000 votes. Harris would have topped Trump’s official total by 1.2 million. Most important, this 2.3% suppression factor undoubtedly cost Harris the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. If not for the wholesale attack on votes and voters, Harris would have won the election with 286 Electoral votes.”
You could consider re-posting the information as a new thread.
Liberal Qanon
I don’t really know what this is supposed to mean, but I assume it’s some kind of silly quip.
Regardless, I’m not arguing for the article - just thought it was interesting.
That’s ok, normal people will be able to tell what I mean
Can’t solve houselessness in the US, creates more displaced people around the world
Seems like a dickish thing to do
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It’s only a reason to keep a presence there, same with South Korea/Taiwan. They don’t give a fuck about them or what they do as long as they don’t actively harm their interests but they’re close to their enemies.
Lol, bollocks. Woke trash pinning this on biden
Conservatives have twisted “woke” of all its original meaning. Not surprising seeing an African-American term and concept twisted and weaponized by supremacists
Looks like the BlueMAGA genocide apologists found this thread.
They are just making it clear that the issue with the Democratic Party isn’t just one racist Zionist president but the entire base and ideology. Their responses are a guarantee that there will never be a Democratic president that isn’t pro genocide. They are making sure that the people opposed to the genocide know well that the Democratic Party isn’t there’s and will never be.
That’s been my conclusion too, and given that the Republican Party is the same in that regard, and that they are the only real parties in the USA politics, I conclude that the USA has a bipartisan and broad commitment to genocide.
It is so crazy when we adress the real issue of providing arms to Israel and provide diplomatic protection they keep talking about how presidents can’t do anything and that the situation is complains. The funny thing is that they don’t realize is that also excuse Trump actions.
Those guys clearly don’t care about Palestinians and just use them as scapegoat to keep defending their cult.
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BlueMAGA are so sadisticly gleeful for an intensification of their genocide. The fact that Trump has already been better than Biden on Gaza has broken their brains
I didn’t expect liberals to be even more sadistic and cruel than conservatives but yet here we are. The comments are absolutely disgusting but not shocking any more.
It’s become increasingly clear to me that liberals don’t really conceptualize non-westerners as “real”. Sure, they recognise it academically, but their gut still sees us more like extras in a show.
Because Palestinians had a good time under Biden?
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You guys just made it worse.
Gaza would have a chance under Kamala.
That fact will always destroy your entire argument.Trump has already been better than the Democrats. Sorry you’re not getting the intensified genocide you so desperately crave.
No Harris is also an AIPAC stooge
