• ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml
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    1 month ago

    Instead of listening to leftists in 2016 that said this would be the outcome, liberals shut us down and insisted theirs was the only way forward.

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    This was the election that made my mom say she wasn’t going to vote anymore, which was really heartbreaking.

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    No fucking shit.

    Everyone had a hardon for some supposed +1 Harris nonsense poll when if you’d just look at history any time Trump is on the ballot a +1 Dem is actually a -4 Dem… But every YouTube asshat and major media fuckwit was acting like there was a chance.

    I know people want to try to have some positivity but I felt like I was yelling into the void about what the realistic outcome was going to be if we didn’t change. Of course “we” can’t change, that has to be the Democratic partys choice, but hopefully now we finally dump this useless party.

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      It’s a lot easier to reshape a political party than to dump them and start afresh.

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        You can’t reshape a party that refuses to change. How many decades have we had the same complaints about them?

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          A whole bunch of Sanders supporters got themselves elected to the DNC and changed the rules to make contested primaries easier. The Democratic party isn’t some static thing that we have no control over.

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            I hope you’re right, but in practical results it doesn’t seem like much has changed. Personally I’ll be pushing for 3rd parties now until we get closer to the next election.

            I won’t be the same type of obstinate person that sticks with a party with 0% chance as opposed to a worse party with a 40% chance, but I’d much rather they go the way of the dinosaur.

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              In practice, those rules made it easier to have centrist primary challenges to Democrats in congress, rather than left-wing ones.

              The big thing we need to change is the media environment. Much of the US is a news desert, so people are depending on things like YouTube shorts and Xitter for their news.

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                Honestly, for the most part, I think the videos and talking heads are a symptom of an even bigger issue. The inability to read long form text, comprehend it, and reflect on the text in a logical manner. They want these videos breaking it down for them, and they want those talking heads telling them what to believe. Why? Because reading is “hard”.

                On the flip side, they LOVE to read all up on their fave bands, their fave celebrity, fave movie, fave game, or any drama on their little social app. So, they can read of course. Only when it is over something that doesn’t really matter in the long run, or drivel meant to ruin their perception.

                Same people who will sit there and read the entire lore of Dark Souls/Elden Right, but can’t even read a website hosted by one of the running candidates that explicitly goes into details of what their platform is.

                Hmm…

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                  That was always the Rolling Stone business model — talk about the bands, and throw in a side of serious political news.

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            Oh how wonderful, and how many actual primaries has the DNC had since the rule was changed? Y’know, so that change could actually be useful?