Well, then you should study what fasicm is. It’s vilification of group in society which you blame for problems you made. It already happened in Germany before.
That’s not fascism or the vilification of a group. It’s just common sense and for the greater good. Fascism is what the US is about to have for the next 4 years under Trump. And hopefully it’s only 4 years.
That doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of the sources. That’s just disagreeing with my point. But how is imprisoning people for going outside not fascism?
I’m not disagreeing with your sources. I’m disagreeing with you. You’re the one saying these actions are fascist. And I’m telling you it’s not. I suggest you do some actual reading on fascism before sitting there saying that implementing public health measure for a once-in-a-century virus outbreak that’s killed tens of millions is fascism.
You started off by saying my sources are bad, which is, by definition, disagreeing with them. Also, you haven’t explained how imprisoning people for going outside and censoring information isn’t fascist. I’m certain that fascists throughout history have done and defended stuff like this for the exact same reasons you are - “for the greater good,” “for the sake of public health,” etc. Maybe we should throw everyone in prison and never let them speak to each other in-person anymore so communicable diseases like COVID can never spread again, since if you do fascist things because you think you’re right, that makes it not fascism.
It’s vilification of group in society which you blame for problems you made
I think you should definitely let Umberto Eco know that his generally accepted definition of fascism is totally wrong. Of course, he did die in 2016, so that will be difficult.
On the other hand, unlike you, he actually lived in a fascist state and experienced fascism first-hand, so maybe he knew a thing or two about it.
Does that article change the fact that all of that happened while Trump was president? Because, and I don’t know if you know this, but you can’t change the past.
Consider that Donald Trump in his last term presided over the single most comprehensive impositions on the rights and liberties of all Americans, including shutting down on religious freedom and free enterprise itself, plus violating property rights of renters and even home owners to hold parties, not to mention exploding the budget in a way that broke all records. The controls wrecked education and plunged the population into deep ill-health and new levels of substance abuse, then poverty.
In this, he went beyond anything done by Wilson, FDR, or LBJ.
HERE IS THE TWIST
All his opponents only criticize him for not locking down sooner and staying locking down longer! Meanwhile, though he never talks about it, he worked to reverse his egregious errors from mid summer 2020 and after. But he had already lost power and was no longer in charge, and had become nothing but a pundit with social media that was taken down too with the urging of the bureaucracy now in control. It was the first coup of several that followed.
When the new government took over, it did not reverse the outrages but added to them. It imposed masks on the whole population and then conscripted the population to be biological subjects in an science experiment with a new form of vaccine that turned out to be useless at best, very often injurious, and deadly at worst.
So here we are: shocked at what Trump did but more than aware that all the viable alternatives hate him mostly because he was not totalitarian enough, while promising even more censorship and more control. Harris’s own ads brag about the coming price controls on groceries and rents! And they call Trump the fascist.
I truly do not see how historians in 100 years will make sense of any of this
Sorry. You can’t change the past no matter what you paste. The things you don’t like happened while Trump was president. Lockdowns, masking, vaccine requirements… all happened under Trump. They even happened under Trump here in deep red Indiana.
I know you’re trying to gaslight history away, but you’re bad at it.
Well, then you should study what fasicm is. It’s vilification of group in society which you blame for problems you made. It already happened in Germany before.
That’s not fascism or the vilification of a group. It’s just common sense and for the greater good. Fascism is what the US is about to have for the next 4 years under Trump. And hopefully it’s only 4 years.
Forcing medical procedures on people, threatening them with arrest if they go outside, and censoring info about the vaccine is “for the greater good”? All while the people who were supposed to be protecting us were blatantly breaking their own regulations? How so? Would you throw every American in prison if it meant people were “safer”? What happened to “my body, my choice”?
Your sources are absolute shit. Try harder.
Are you saying these things didn’t happen? What’s wrong with my sources? And again would you imprison the whole country in the name of “safety”?
I’m saying your sources are absolute shit because that’s not fascism.
That doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of the sources. That’s just disagreeing with my point. But how is imprisoning people for going outside not fascism?
I’m not disagreeing with your sources. I’m disagreeing with you. You’re the one saying these actions are fascist. And I’m telling you it’s not. I suggest you do some actual reading on fascism before sitting there saying that implementing public health measure for a once-in-a-century virus outbreak that’s killed tens of millions is fascism.
You started off by saying my sources are bad, which is, by definition, disagreeing with them. Also, you haven’t explained how imprisoning people for going outside and censoring information isn’t fascist. I’m certain that fascists throughout history have done and defended stuff like this for the exact same reasons you are - “for the greater good,” “for the sake of public health,” etc. Maybe we should throw everyone in prison and never let them speak to each other in-person anymore so communicable diseases like COVID can never spread again, since if you do fascist things because you think you’re right, that makes it not fascism.
Do you have somewhere what fascim is if its not persecution or vilification of group in society?
Like I said, this isn’t the correct example for fascism. It’s very far off.
Can you give some example what fasicm is, if this is incorrect?
I already did, but I’ll do it again. I’m fairly confident you won’t read it anyway, but what the hell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism
I think you should definitely let Umberto Eco know that his generally accepted definition of fascism is totally wrong. Of course, he did die in 2016, so that will be difficult.
On the other hand, unlike you, he actually lived in a fascist state and experienced fascism first-hand, so maybe he knew a thing or two about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism
Thank you - those are the snippets:
This was the Covid cult under Biden regime and it match it pretty well. Also with Mass Formation as described by Mattias Desmet.
Dude those are all trumps talking points.
You do know that all of those restrictions happened while Trump was president, right? Don’t tell me your memory is this poor.
There is whole article about it on Daily Sceptic from Jeffrey Tucker. If they wouldn’t censor us so eagerly, you would be able to read it sooner.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/11/05/why-i-changed-my-mind-on-trump/
Does that article change the fact that all of that happened while Trump was president? Because, and I don’t know if you know this, but you can’t change the past.
How complicated is politics?
Consider that Donald Trump in his last term presided over the single most comprehensive impositions on the rights and liberties of all Americans, including shutting down on religious freedom and free enterprise itself, plus violating property rights of renters and even home owners to hold parties, not to mention exploding the budget in a way that broke all records. The controls wrecked education and plunged the population into deep ill-health and new levels of substance abuse, then poverty.
In this, he went beyond anything done by Wilson, FDR, or LBJ.
HERE IS THE TWIST
All his opponents only criticize him for not locking down sooner and staying locking down longer! Meanwhile, though he never talks about it, he worked to reverse his egregious errors from mid summer 2020 and after. But he had already lost power and was no longer in charge, and had become nothing but a pundit with social media that was taken down too with the urging of the bureaucracy now in control. It was the first coup of several that followed.
When the new government took over, it did not reverse the outrages but added to them. It imposed masks on the whole population and then conscripted the population to be biological subjects in an science experiment with a new form of vaccine that turned out to be useless at best, very often injurious, and deadly at worst.
So here we are: shocked at what Trump did but more than aware that all the viable alternatives hate him mostly because he was not totalitarian enough, while promising even more censorship and more control. Harris’s own ads brag about the coming price controls on groceries and rents! And they call Trump the fascist.
I truly do not see how historians in 100 years will make sense of any of this
https://x.com/jeffreyatucker/status/1853796864233034064
Sorry. You can’t change the past no matter what you paste. The things you don’t like happened while Trump was president. Lockdowns, masking, vaccine requirements… all happened under Trump. They even happened under Trump here in deep red Indiana.
I know you’re trying to gaslight history away, but you’re bad at it.
I think reality already told us, where is the truth. Society will align accordingly soon.