• silence7@slrpnk.netOPM
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    8 days ago

    Heat is actually the big one here; it’s a big chunk of emissions.

    Getting rid of gas heat makes the gas stoves uneconomic.

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      7 days ago

      If you want to ban gas for residential heating because heat pumps are better, why are you banning it for comercial cooking which is a much smaller source of emissions, and lacks a good electrical replacement?

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        7 days ago

        Three reasons:

        1. Without the use for space heating, very little gas will be distributed, making the distribution system totally uneconomic for small users.
        2. The distribution system leaks methane. It’s ~3% of what goes through it when there is high usage, but the amount of leakage probably doesn’t go down unless you start decommissioning it.
        3. You want to protect the workers who have to breathe the fumes
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          7 days ago

          Heating is irrelevant for commercial kitchen gas usage.

          You’re just trying to yoke this terrible idea to a more sensible one for residential heating.

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            7 days ago

            No, it’s relevant for the cost of distributing the gas. It’s not cost-effective to run a gas distribution system just to commercial kitchens without the much larger distribution going to heating.

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              7 days ago

              If that’s right, you don’t need to ban gas cooking, just ban residential heating and let the market take care of it.

              Y’all just want to tear shit down to pat yourselves on the back.

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                7 days ago

                Definitely could do it that way. But everybody is better off if we do it in a planned way instead of leaving people to deal with that kind of a mess.

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                  7 days ago

                  So whats the plan to replace gas in commercial kitchens? Oh wait there isn’t one.

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                    7 days ago

                    Two options right now:

                    1. Run new electrical lines to them capable of providing for their actual needs
                    2. Propane
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              7 days ago

              What evidence do you have that it would be cost-ineffective to pipe natural gas to only businesses? The only thing they do these days when someone opts out of using natural gas is turn off the valve at the street. The gas still flows to other businesses and neighbors. It doesn’t matter what Berkeley does because Oakland, Richmond, Hayward and every other town or city around Berkeley is not going to ban the use of natural gas. It’s a non-starter. It’s pointless to do.