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    9 days ago

    I don’t think I’m better than the books you cited. I trust those books. You mentioned two books who both directly contradict you by saying the number was “approximately 100”. Sana says out of the around 3000 people, “at least 74 were Jews”. You mistook the total number of handed over POWs for the number of handed over Jews.

    If you think it gives a different number, one that nobody else seems to think is included in those books, please be so kind as to show where in either book.

    Sana estimated 500 from a single deportation, by the way.

    She did, but they are not talking about Jews specifically but all the people handed over. Like I’ve tried to explain to you many times, the larger numbers you are citing are for all the people handed over to Germans. Out of those people, Sana estimated that at least 74 were Jews, but since it’s uncertain, it’s said that it’s “approximately 100”.

    I think you’ve been under the false assumption that all deportations or even significant percentage were Jews, even though both books say that they constituted “approximately 100” out of the around 3000 people handed over. Most weren’t Jews but handed over for other reasons.

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      I don’t think I’m better than the books you cited.

      You obviously prize your guesswork and imagination over the historical work you were provided. You are repeatedly announcing, with certainty, how correct you are based on a screenshot of a review of several books, in contradiction of what the book I cited will tell you.

      Like I said, I can’t force you to read. You are welcome for the book recommendations.

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        These are numbers from the actual books. The screenshot is the first work you cited, contradicting you. The numbers in the above comment comment come from Sana’s book. As I’ve explained many times, you misunderstood what you read and thought all those deported were Jews, but neither makes that claim. Most were deported for other reasons.

        You obviously prize your guesswork and imagination over the historical work you were provided

        I don’t, that’s why I was hoping you’d show me where in those books these claims are. Since from reading them, they thoroughly contradict your numbers.

        You are repeatedly announcing, with certainty, how correct you are based on a screenshot of a review of several books, in contradiction of what the book I cited will tell you.

        The screenshot is from the first book you cited. I literally have it right here in front of me. You are telling me one thing and the book you say you are basing your numbers on says another. It’s a funny situation. It’s like when people claim something based on the Bible but when asked to show where it says so, they’re suddenly unable to come up with any pages or actual quotations, it’s just “it’s in there”. I bet it is friend, I bet it is.

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          These are numbers from the actual books

          I already told you that Sana esrimated 500 from a single deportation. You have not read Sana’s works.

          I will not be replying further. You are welcome for the book recommendations. I wonder if you will read them.

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            already told you that Sana esrimated 500 from a single deportation.

            She said 500 people were deported (in that single instance), not that 500 Jews were deported… You are misremembering or misunderstood what she said, I’m sorry to say.

            I will not be replying further

            I was about to ask if you have the book right in front of you and could perhaps check that what you remember reading is actually what it said. That way we could both double check that you got it right. But I somehow doubt that would happen anyway. If you have the book right now it wouldn’t hurt to double check.

            Another thing I was thinking of was that in what language did you read it? If you read it in Finnish, are you a native speaker or fluent? Because a misunderstanding could be down to that.

            I’m honestly just trying my hardest to find out what part you are citing and why you’d come up with such a wildly different number from everyone else. I know you said you wouldn’t reply anymore but it would be very helpful in figuring out this mystery.

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              She said 500 people were deported

              Okay one last note: she estimated 500 Jews were deported in a single deportation. You can go ahead and read the book that you have no read and that I have if you want the privilege of asserting otherwise.

              Such proud, unapologetic, arrogant lying.

              Okay but really, last reply. Have a nice life. Hope you find a way to stop huffing your own farts.

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                Do you happen to remember where in the book did she claim that? I’m honestly trying to just figure out where in the book you read that since I don’t think anyone else came off from reading it with such a drastically different number. What everyone else, such as the other book you mentioned, keeps saying is “approximately 100”. It’s such a big disparity that it’s interesting.

                Such proud, unapologetic, arrogant lying.

                Okay but really, last reply. Have a nice life. Hope you find a way to stop huffing your own farts.

                I mean tbh I think you’ve just made a mistake and are too pigheaded to admit it. But I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt, it might just be an honest case of misremembering. If you have the book around or otherwise remember where those numbers were claimed in it we could easily check and that’d be that.