Aides and supporters have been working with the mayor on a plan to tough out the political crisis.
    • eacapesamsara@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      144·
      1 month ago

      His statement is the objectively correct side of morality and the law. Every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in court. If you disagree with this notion you have no place in any society created after the 1600s.

      • thesporkeffect@lemmy.world
        42·
        1 month ago

        Okay, I don’t disagree with the statement on the face of it, that’s not what I was reacting to. Why say anything at all, if you are Jeffries? It’s not like it’s going to come out that it was all a big misunderstanding.

        E: alright, I misread the context, fair points

        • MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world
          6·
          1 month ago

          There’s no way the House Minority Leader isn’t going to get questions on this. Seems pretty reasonable to get a public statement out.

        • eacapesamsara@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          43·
          1 month ago

          Because he’s a New York politician asked for comment about a person he’s previously disagreed with very publicly.

      • take6056@feddit.nl
        13·
        1 month ago

        Plenty of society’s after the 1600s, that had people and rulers who disagreed with that notion.

      • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        27·
        1 month ago

        Every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in court.

        No. I don’t need to take you to court to prove that you can’t spell ‘escape’ in your username, for example. It’s just an obvious fact.

        You can’t reduce reality to legal issues and then the fact of having committed an unpleasant actions to legal outcomes. Israel could literally blow up courts which start proceedings in terms of international law against the country, for example, that wouldn’t alter the reality of the evidence against Israel.

        If you hit me with your car and I die, and there are witness, you did wrong regardless of what the court says.

        • idiomaddict@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 month ago

          Innocent and guilty have formal legal definitions and informal, everyday ones. OJ Simpson was found innocent of murder, but I think it’s probably pretty likely that he did it with intent. Those can both be true.

        • eacapesamsara@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          23·
          1 month ago

          Incorrect, the reason we don’t live in the reality you describe is witness testimony is unreliable, and mob justice fails every time it’s tried.

          You are innocent until proven guilty. Period. Otherwise I can just say you killed my uncle and kill you in response to that made up event.