The guy who can’t read when his computer tells him he’s doing something stupid is gonna interview the guy who’s infamous for yelling at people for being stupid? Awesome, I can’t wait.
I had issues with his trying out Linux series, but that is not one of them, and I’m tired of seeing him be shat on because of it.
Firstly, he was trying to install Steam via instructions he found on PopOS’s website. Even if he did do something stupid (and I would argue he didn’t really), it is not the fault of the end user that doing that can completely fuck your install. It should not be possible to do that, yet it was due to a PopOS packaging error.
Yes, he did receive a generic warning about how by proceeding to attempt this installation, he could cause damage. Hidden in a wall of text of hundreds of package names.
But do you know what else has scary messages like that? Android. Windows. MacOS. A whole host of smart devices. Any new user could easily think that message was normal and would appear any time you try to install something via the terminal.
End users are used to seeing scary messages like that, and they’ve become numb to them. Deflecting criticism of that PopOS bug by saying “well there was a warning, so actually it’s the end users that are idiots and PopOS/Linux is actually perfect” doesn’t help anybody.
As much as LTT deserves shit, and he really does, choosing to ignore a warning because its what the average user does, really shouldn’t be one of them. Users absolutely pull stupids like that, and his job was to see what a regular user would experience.
These days there are enough “If we brick your computer, it’s not our fault” caveats that are just basically EULA level nonsense…
He ran: sudo apt-get install steam (after having issues with the GUI)
He got a prompt that said You about to do something potentially harmful. To continuetypein the phrase 'Yes, doas I say!'
Steam is a 3rd party app store (🙄)… I get the same kind of fearmongering messaging on my phone when I try to install apps. The warnings say “This could break your computer!”
So he didn’t read the whole message. but asking a computer to install steam and then saying “yes really” when it double checks feels like a reasonable flow.
Should this has prompted him to go “Wait, this still says its removing pop-desktop, that can’t be right?” Probably. But honestly he was doing everything by the book on how to install steam. If he didnt say yes, he was going to be blocked on not being able to install steam, and the video would have highlighted the bug in a different way.
He was using a distro with a MASSIVE bug in it and that was really the problem, not his lack of double checking things.
The part of that video that makes me empathize with his experience is the fact that Luke took on the same challenge, happened to choose Mint, and had no problem installing Steam. So you run into this catastrophic failure, and even your friend can only tell you “worked on my machine, I don’t know what to tell ya.” Then you search the internet and just keep finding the same instructions you just followed, to the letter. So you share your experience, and then half the Linux community blames you for “not heeding the warnings.”
The bug was that he didn’t update the OS first. I don’t understand why OSs don’t force this on installation. Some of the better ones do. It causes all kinds of problems.
The guy who can’t read when his computer tells him he’s doing something stupid is gonna interview the guy who’s infamous for yelling at people for being stupid? Awesome, I can’t wait.
Good opportunity for learning. I’m sure Linus will not sugarcoat anything and give it straight to the other Linus.
I’m looking forward to watching it.
I had issues with his trying out Linux series, but that is not one of them, and I’m tired of seeing him be shat on because of it.
Firstly, he was trying to install Steam via instructions he found on PopOS’s website. Even if he did do something stupid (and I would argue he didn’t really), it is not the fault of the end user that doing that can completely fuck your install. It should not be possible to do that, yet it was due to a PopOS packaging error.
Yes, he did receive a generic warning about how by proceeding to attempt this installation, he could cause damage. Hidden in a wall of text of hundreds of package names.
But do you know what else has scary messages like that? Android. Windows. MacOS. A whole host of smart devices. Any new user could easily think that message was normal and would appear any time you try to install something via the terminal.
End users are used to seeing scary messages like that, and they’ve become numb to them. Deflecting criticism of that PopOS bug by saying “well there was a warning, so actually it’s the end users that are idiots and PopOS/Linux is actually perfect” doesn’t help anybody.
As much as LTT deserves shit, and he really does, choosing to ignore a warning because its what the average user does, really shouldn’t be one of them. Users absolutely pull stupids like that, and his job was to see what a regular user would experience.
These days there are enough “If we brick your computer, it’s not our fault” caveats that are just basically EULA level nonsense…
He ran:
sudo apt-get install steam(after having issues with the GUI)He got a prompt that said
You about to do something potentially harmful. To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'Steam is a 3rd party app store (🙄)… I get the same kind of fearmongering messaging on my phone when I try to install apps. The warnings say “This could break your computer!”
So he didn’t read the whole message. but asking a computer to install steam and then saying “yes really” when it double checks feels like a reasonable flow.
Should this has prompted him to go “Wait, this still says its removing pop-desktop, that can’t be right?” Probably. But honestly he was doing everything by the book on how to install steam. If he didnt say yes, he was going to be blocked on not being able to install steam, and the video would have highlighted the bug in a different way.
He was using a distro with a MASSIVE bug in it and that was really the problem, not his lack of double checking things.
The part of that video that makes me empathize with his experience is the fact that Luke took on the same challenge, happened to choose Mint, and had no problem installing Steam. So you run into this catastrophic failure, and even your friend can only tell you “worked on my machine, I don’t know what to tell ya.” Then you search the internet and just keep finding the same instructions you just followed, to the letter. So you share your experience, and then half the Linux community blames you for “not heeding the warnings.”
The bug was that he didn’t update the OS first. I don’t understand why OSs don’t force this on installation. Some of the better ones do. It causes all kinds of problems.